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Author Topic: More lack of discernment in the Keene movement  (Read 13005 times)

dalebert

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Re: More lack of discernment in the Keene movement
« Reply #210 on: June 30, 2015, 08:02 AM NHFT »

JOËL VALENZUELA's blog got picked up by the lefties...
Miscellany Blue - NH Politics

Free Stater exposes ‘seedy underbelly’ of liberty movement: ‘We attract the dregs of society’

Julie Borowski complimented him on his article which she had read. She gave him kudos for calling people out within the movement. It was actually one of her points in the presentation. LOTS of people follow Julie and will discover us through her.

http://julieborowski.com/my-experience-at-porcfest/

What's funny to me is while you are making a case founded in common sense and good judgment, there is another more extremist element arguing for us to filter out all the impure, i.e. anyone who falls short of full-on macho-flash anarchist. It's actually a very intolerant attitude, particularly considering that there are very few of us who weren't statists to some degree or another at some point and we were persuaded toward liberty, and it wasn't so we could join the cool kids group. It's because we were already hanging out with the cool kids.
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Re: More lack of discernment in the Keene movement
« Reply #211 on: June 30, 2015, 09:59 AM NHFT »

What's funny to me is while you are making a case founded in common sense and good judgment, there is another more extremist element arguing for us to filter out all the impure, i.e. anyone who falls short of full-on macho-flash anarchist. It's actually a very intolerant attitude, particularly considering that there are very few of us who weren't statists to some degree or another at some point and we were persuaded toward liberty, and it wasn't so we could join the cool kids group. It's because we were already hanging out with the cool kids.

And, oddly enough, those few of us who actually have been consistent anarchists our whole lives... aren't the ones calling for witch-hunts.
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Re: More lack of discernment in the Keene movement
« Reply #212 on: June 30, 2015, 10:44 AM NHFT »

when do we start the witch hunts?
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Re: More lack of discernment in the Keene movement
« Reply #213 on: June 30, 2015, 03:05 PM NHFT »


Ian is the kind of "friend" that sends danger to his friends. Feels he should take no responsibility to consider the possible danger to his friends.
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I personally am shunning him and his repeated behavior. I know that doesn't mean much. Well except to my own sense of right and wrong.


I'm friends with some Friends and the Friends do shunning.  It seems like a useful tactic for living right, but in practice I wonder how well it works out.  Do I walk out of the room when the shameful walks in, or turn my back to him, like they do to the dishonored in the Klingon High Council?  It seems like I might just miss some good parties with no good result.

Tom, what actions have you taken or not taken in your shunning of Ian these few months?

How has it worked out?
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Re: More lack of discernment in the Keene movement
« Reply #214 on: June 30, 2015, 04:18 PM NHFT »

when do we start the witch hunts?


You need to buy a hunting license first.   ;D
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Re: More lack of discernment in the Keene movement
« Reply #215 on: June 30, 2015, 04:30 PM NHFT »

when do we start the witch hunts?


You need to buy a hunting license first.   ;D

And get a fire permit.  There is always a bonfire involved in any self-respecting witch hunt.   :campfire:
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Re: More lack of discernment in the Keene movement
« Reply #216 on: June 30, 2015, 07:28 PM NHFT »


Ian is the kind of "friend" that sends danger to his friends. Feels he should take no responsibility to consider the possible danger to his friends.
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I personally am shunning him and his repeated behavior. I know that doesn't mean much. Well except to my own sense of right and wrong.


I'm friends with some Friends and the Friends do shunning.  It seems like a useful tactic for living right, but in practice I wonder how well it works out.  Do I walk out of the room when the shameful walks in, or turn my back to him, like they do to the dishonored in the Klingon High Council?  It seems like I might just miss some good parties with no good result.

Tom, what actions have you taken or not taken in your shunning of Ian these few months?

How has it worked out?

I have not wanted to continue any animosity. I bumped into Ian at Porcfest and said a polite hello. Once I figure someone out I can't un-know what I know.

I have had multiple people confide in me of their feelings. I usually relax on these kind of issues when I see that others recognize the problem.

It's not really about Ian or Cantwell or JP or... it's a lack of wisdom or people not recognizing that motives matter. They matter a lot. I can forgive mistakes that people make if their motives are good.

I don't expect to change the world by not involving me and mine with what I don't have faith in. But, I do affect my world and sometimes I've seen that being brave enough to say what you feel helps others figure out how they feel.
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Re: More lack of discernment in the Keene movement
« Reply #217 on: July 01, 2015, 12:10 AM NHFT »

JOËL VALENZUELA's blog got picked up by the lefties...
Miscellany Blue - NH Politics

Free Stater exposes ‘seedy underbelly’ of liberty movement: ‘We attract the dregs of society’

Or as Pat K says, "Sometimes you just get lucky!"
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Re: More lack of discernment in the Keene movement
« Reply #218 on: July 01, 2015, 06:33 PM NHFT »

JOËL VALENZUELA's blog got picked up by the lefties...
Miscellany Blue - NH Politics

Free Stater exposes ‘seedy underbelly’ of liberty movement: ‘We attract the dregs of society’

Valenzuela's article was fantastic though. It's true that some scumbags are welcome, and publically try to represent libertarianism and get no repercussion.
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Re: More lack of discernment in the Keene movement
« Reply #219 on: July 14, 2015, 05:57 AM NHFT »

eglove is featured by Garrett Ean in this episode of AKPF regarding Cant(do)well.

AKPF #1: Cultwell
https://youtu.be/lD9Glg6CtEk

Ethan and Garrett reference a blog post that Ethan wrote
An Epic Tale of King Baby
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Re: More lack of discernment in the Keene movement
« Reply #221 on: September 21, 2015, 02:43 AM NHFT »

https://www.facebook.com/local.scrutinizer/posts/1723593114531350?comment_id=1723671954523466

It's true Ian doesn't have as much support as he thinks. His obsessive push towards bad software like Slack just because he doesn't like FB isn't going so well. (7 people is considered victory?) But it doesn't take away from the fact that he acts like a sociopath. Nice guy? Sure. Say hello and ask what's up.

But when you get into this weird KAC life, it's like the vampires that live in nests from True Blood. (Sorry for the reference.) That group feeds off of one another, drive drama to the extreme, and because it's the "mediaites" it drives people away. How many times have you seen people say they won't move to NH or no longer support the FSP because of KAC drama being publicized on the biggest, most public places like the FTL fb page (and the freaking show itself?)

I feel like at least 50% of what Ian does requires damage control. And considering that aside from the show, he's really not doing as much as he thinks, it's not worth it at all.

EDIT: Vampire nests according to the True Blood Wiki: "Nests are described (by Bill in the first season) as causing the vampires living in them to become more cruel. Pam implies this is linked to their drinking each other's blood and assuming the personality traits of the strongest, and usually cruelest, member."
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Re: More lack of discernment in the Keene movement
« Reply #222 on: September 21, 2015, 08:53 AM NHFT »

And considering that aside from the show, he's really not doing as much as he thinks, it's not worth it at all.

The couch controversy was definitely worth it, even if I'm not. :O)
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Re: More lack of discernment in the Keene movement
« Reply #223 on: September 21, 2015, 10:08 AM NHFT »


Sometimes we can not like a person and that skews our perception of the legitimacy / efficacy of some of their actions.  I try to keep this in mind when making assessments. 

For the record, I like everybody though.   ;D
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Re: More lack of discernment in the Keene movement
« Reply #224 on: September 21, 2015, 10:51 AM NHFT »

I just read on a comment on a free keene blog post that Ian has put Cantrell off the show. I don't know how long ago this was, but it makes sense.
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