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Mark D. Jacobsen

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Re: John Connell
« Reply #75 on: April 22, 2016, 12:58 AM NHFT »

Has anyone seen the building? Can it be saved?
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Re: John Connell
« Reply #76 on: April 26, 2016, 12:45 PM NHFT »

My understanding is that yes, the owners or whatever they are... are trying to save the building.
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Mark D. Jacobsen

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Re: John Connell
« Reply #77 on: April 28, 2016, 02:42 AM NHFT »

Thanks. It's a funny thing that there is little fuss over death and destruction, like everyone gets confirmation bias or gets scared and clams up.
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Re: John Connell
« Reply #78 on: April 29, 2016, 09:58 PM NHFT »

well many of us didn't know what happened
if you want to follow the progress of the fixes .... look for Peaceful Assembly Church on facebug
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Re: John Connell
« Reply #79 on: April 30, 2016, 04:28 AM NHFT »

Thanks. I deactivated my fb profile.
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Re: John Connell
« Reply #80 on: April 30, 2016, 09:33 AM NHFT »

There is nothing over there.
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Re: John Connell
« Reply #81 on: May 24, 2016, 03:23 PM NHFT »

After all that, the town settles and agrees that the church doesn't owe taxes.

http://www.vnews.com/Grafton-Reaches-Tax-Agreement-With-Church-2348806

Grafton — Town officials and the Peaceful Assembly Church have settled a tax dispute in an agreement intended to help restore the fire-damaged building, which dates to 1798 and long served as Grafton’s meetinghouse.

Under the agreement, the parties agreed that Peaceful Assembly “is a regularly recognized and constituted religious creed and sect” and that the town will abate the full amount of taxes owed on the property at 860 Main St., also known as Route 4.

In return, Peaceful Assembly Church board members agreed to make the building weather tight by December; shingle the roof and complete all exterior work except windows by December 2017; and complete all exterior work by December 2019.

Selectman Merle Kenyon said on Monday the agreement, which the Selectboard signed last month, “was the fairest we could come up with (between) all the parties.

“It was to everyone’s advantage not to drag it out,” Kenyon said.

Peaceful Assembly board members signed the agreement this month.

“We’re really excited about it, and even more so in (agreement) with the town and the locals. We’re really glad to be putting this behind us,” said David Kopacz, the chairman of the board of Peaceful Assembly Church and a Massachusetts resident who owns retirement property in Grafton.

Town officials for several years had denied the church’s application, on religious grounds, for a property tax exemption, saying it was not affiliated with any particular denomination and was founded by a layman, John Connell. Some of its members were drawn to Grafton by the libertarian-minded Free State Project.

Connell, 57, died in a Jan. 12 fire that severely damaged the 217-year-old main church building. State officials are still investigating the cause of the fire.

The tax dispute had been in Grafton Superior Court, and town officials earlier this year contended that Peaceful Assembly owed nearly $14,000 in taxes and fees.

Under the agreement, prepared as a court filing, the town will abate the full amount of taxes and fees due, and the church agreed to make a payment in lieu of taxes of an equal amount if it doesn’t meet the repair deadlines set out in the agreement.

The town also agreed to forgive some $2,000 in attorney’s fees that a judge had awarded Grafton after Connell failed to attend a scheduled deposition.

The agreement stipulates that “each party believes strongly in the merit of their positions” but also wanted to avoid further expenses, litigation risk and “distraction.”

The agreement also noted that the building “has historically been a church and is an important landmark in the town of Grafton.”

Kenyon, the selectman, said Peaceful Assembly members had covered the damaged portions with a tarp and had a dumpster on site and are working to remove debris.

“They have covered the holes to keep the vandals and the morons out,” said Kenyon, a former town police chief.

For his part, Kopacz said Peaceful Assembly has been holding worship services at an outbuilding on the property and plans an open house for Grafton community members to discuss restoration of the church.

“We’re still trying to recover and stabilize the whole thing, and kind of get our feet back under us here. I’m really excited by the outreach I’ve seen from the community,” he said.

He also said he wants to make sure that the appropriate plaster is used in the restoration, to recreate what many members of past choirs had said were exemplary acoustics.

“The sounds that come out of that room are astonishing,” he said.

Kopacz was also heartened by what he initially thought was going to be a fruitless search for old growth American chestnut to repair the church. Then, a Grafton resident who been aided by Connell in the past reached out to Peaceful Assembly and offered the reclaimed wood from an 1800s barn he had taken down, made of chestnut.

“There is a very strong sentimentality and passionate attachment to this building,” Kopacz said. “This is going to be a community effort.”

John Gregg can be reached at jgregg@vnews.com or 603-727-3217.

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Re: John Connell
« Reply #82 on: May 24, 2016, 03:38 PM NHFT »

Do you think that they would have made the same deal with John? I don't think so.

This deal stinks of a subterfuge on the town's part.

There is no open reason for the town to give up money that it has fought for, or now to give up the "church" status.
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Re: John Connell
« Reply #83 on: May 24, 2016, 08:31 PM NHFT »

Friggin' petty little assholes.
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Re: John Connell
« Reply #84 on: May 25, 2016, 09:12 AM NHFT »

exactly
I have realized more all the time that they want you to be a "recognized" religion. You can believe whatever you want as long as you obey all of their laws.
We read an interesting book called "The Heavenly Man" by Brother Yun from China. Some of the times he was in jail was only because he would not join the "Three Self Church" which was the officially recognized church by the government.
I think the John is receiving his rewards in the next life, since he was mistreated in this one, just as Jesus spoke about in the Sermon up on the Mountain.
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Re: John Connell
« Reply #85 on: May 25, 2016, 12:33 PM NHFT »

 
Holding others property for ransom via a forcibly unilateral and mythical "social contract" is an act of extortion, regardless of the color of the costume of the thug(s).

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Re: John Connell
« Reply #86 on: May 25, 2016, 12:52 PM NHFT »

ya buddy
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Re: John Connell
« Reply #87 on: May 25, 2016, 12:54 PM NHFT »

Part of the agreement not mentioned in the article, is removal of all the colorful elements of John's art. The town didn't even want any purple trim to remain -- just a whitewashed "church".

Apply that phrase however you wish.
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Re: John Connell
« Reply #88 on: May 25, 2016, 02:21 PM NHFT »

Part of the agreement not mentioned in the article, is removal of all the colorful elements of John's art. The town didn't even want any purple trim to remain -- just a whitewashed "church".

Apply that phrase however you wish.

No friend of John's would agree to that horse shit.
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Re: John Connell
« Reply #89 on: May 25, 2016, 02:46 PM NHFT »

how lovely
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