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Re: NHexit.com discussion
« Reply #195 on: August 07, 2016, 07:59 PM NHFT »

oh no .... I got the 1 "L" treatment ... that is never a good sign ;)

sorry ... sometimes I get lost. What am I right about? I can never hear it often enough. :)

It would be great to have some sort of independence minded bill pushed this year. If that is what you want to get behind first with NHexit .... I like it. If you want to also do other stuff .... all the better.
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Re: NHexit.com discussion
« Reply #196 on: August 08, 2016, 02:17 PM NHFT »

Whoop...sorry russell!  went to check spelling then got distracted. 

To: anastanic@(redacted)
 
Zdravo gospa Stani?: Imam vprašanje za vas.

A week or so ago I downloaded your independence-and-money speech from
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c0sSWwOpjXI
and listened to it while out jogging.  I run NHexit.com and literally stopped still when you mentioned what was, if I recall, a Slovene constitutional amendment undertaken around 1989 to clarify that the republic had a right of secession.  When I got home I started writing up wording for a similar constitutional amendment in New Hampshire (I'd get a sympathetic state rep to submit it if we use that approach). 

However I have not been able to find an English-language copy of the Slovene amendment (article?) you were referring to.  Can you direct me?  I do speak Croatian but con't understand it very well....let alone Slovenian! 

Also: Do you think NH is further along...or further behind where Slovenia was in 1988 on the question of independence?  I was kind of surprised and inspired by your statement which (if I heard correctly) indicated that it was a fringe issue in Slovenia in 1988.   I remember reading about Slovenia's rising level of freedom in the papers in 1988 and had sort of spent the last 28 years thinking independence was on the table in '88.

Hvala,

Dave Ridley
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info@(redacted).quebec

I enjoyed your speech at
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c0sSWwOpjXI
...where (if I recall accurately) you suggested the creation of a G8 of independence-seeking regions.

Is this underway, and is there a way I or others can help? Is there a way NH independence activists or politicians can/should be involved?   Would you have any interest in delivering a speech to free staters or other independence activists at Porcupine Fest?  That's in northern NH every June: http://PorcFest.com 

We have some Québécois folk involved now, who have moved here...but so often it seems like there is a disconnect between NH and Quebec.   Like it's not there.  In any case...

Je ne suis pas Québécois, mais je veux un pays.

Dave Ridley
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NHexit.com



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Re: NHexit.com discussion
« Reply #197 on: August 08, 2016, 02:19 PM NHFT »

From the NHexit discussion group on Facebook, which you can find thru http://NHexit.com :

"BE SURE TO SHARE THIS:
Dear Friends of NHExit,
Please join us Saturday, Labor Day Weekend, September 3rd for a BBQ Pot Luck at our Home.
We live at 168 Murray Hill Road in Hill, New Hampshire 603-671-8069
You can arrive at 3:00 PM. Dinner will start at 5:00 PM and the fun will end at Midnight.
Please Bring:
1.) Lawn Chairs
2.) A Canopy (If you have one)
3.) Something to throw on the grill
4.) A Dish to SHARE
5.) BYOB
6.) Bring a Friend
7.) Sweater, Jacket or warm clothes for cool evening
Please RSVP (Let us know you’re planning to attend or not) If we do not know you are coming we’ll assume you’re not. Please arrive on time so we can eat together.
We’ll need extra lawn chairs, 1-3 folding tables and maybe 1-3 extra grills. Let us know if you can bring any of these.
We’ll be doing a Bonfire so bring S’mores if you like.
Christopher Gronski will do a short talk on the Historical, Legal, Financial, social and political challenges and opportunities of New Hampshire Seceding from the Union. Also, might look into putting a steering committee together to determine the direction this action might take or not.
See you then,
Christopher and Liesbeth Gronski

http://evite.me/H98Zb9zYcT  "

For those who don't know him Christopher is an old friend of the free staers and I think was at the first NH liberty event I ever attendetd when I arrived in 2004.  At that time I think he was with We The People.   

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aNmYWJ-WvF4

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Re: NHexit.com discussion
« Reply #198 on: August 08, 2016, 04:09 PM NHFT »

most excellent .... if somehow we can attend, I will rsvp .... don't know how that goes in Slovinian

after NH secedes ... how fast will our english become very peculiar or different from other parts of the soon to be?
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Re: NHexit.com discussion
« Reply #199 on: August 09, 2016, 08:47 AM NHFT »

 I think I will start copying most of my posts from the FB group...here.   Might make this look like a ridley echo chamber but at least that way the info can be found later if needed. Here are today's...
 
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'Right now we have one problem that is good to have: There are enough active volunteers that I'm having trouble individually thanking everyone for stuff they're doing. Please accept this group-directed thank you to all of you who are doing stuff in the meantime. It's really valued!'

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' Just received this by email in response to my request for a report on how things looked/felt at the Windham, NH Trump speech:
"running to a ballgame.
2,000 inside Trump speech. 100 degrees inside. NO A/C at the new high school. Scott Brown spoke 45 minutes first.
200 had Trump tix but firemarshall closed the door. Lines started at noon for 8:30 pm speech. Those outside watched live link on NH! news. There were a lot of diehard Latino and other Trump fans very bummed to not get in.
Next Gen did a protest their website says against Trump. I saw 3 1 yr old boys and 1 get thrown out from front row indoors, for maybe going to cause trouble later. They died it, but I knew they were not supporters. they had the cold eyes" '

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'Our allies at Laconia had concerns about the press yesterday.  I tend to think liberty folk are lucky to have media attending whether they got their facts straight or not.  Generally they should be welcomed and treated with transparency.  You may want to record your interactions with them, openly...and upload.  Here's my article on how to deal press.      http://forum.freestateproject.org/index.php?topic=1421.0 '



 
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Re: NHexit.com discussion
« Reply #200 on: August 09, 2016, 10:23 AM NHFT »

that is one confusing section in the middle

as it gets bigger, maybe the NHexit activism will split in smaller geographic sections or something
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Re: NHexit.com discussion
« Reply #201 on: August 09, 2016, 11:05 AM NHFT »

that is one confusing section in the middle

as it gets bigger, maybe the NHexit activism will split in smaller geographic sections or something

   
  Micro nations ?  But, but, the roads.  (smiley emoticon)
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Re: NHexit.com discussion
« Reply #202 on: August 09, 2016, 02:28 PM NHFT »

yea baby
how small can we go?

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Re: NHexit.com discussion
« Reply #203 on: August 10, 2016, 12:15 PM NHFT »

Secession down to the last man!
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Re: NHexit.com discussion
« Reply #204 on: August 10, 2016, 07:56 PM NHFT »

Secession down to the last man!
Yeah, the one left can be the "Imperial ME", like Peter Sellers was in, Carol for Another Christmas
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Re: NHexit.com discussion
« Reply #205 on: August 10, 2016, 10:54 PM NHFT »

Watch it for free here: https://free-classic-tv-shows.com/History/1964-12-28-Carol-For-Another-Christmas/index.php

and be sure to record/save it if you like it, because when it was put up on YouTube a couple of years ago, it got taken down in short order.

Written by Rod Serling.  I saw it first run - and only run - in 1964.  It sat, "in the can" for 48 years before it was broadcast for just the second time in 2012, and now it is shown once a year.
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Re: NHexit.com discussion
« Reply #206 on: August 12, 2016, 10:02 AM NHFT »

Copy-pastes of my posts on the Facebook discussion group:

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' Carla you are president of NHIndependence.org, which means you have the power to strike at the root of our problems. Please exercise that power! Do stuff! Unless there's some obvious reason not to, we'll support your activity!

To: Ana Stanic (redacted)@(redacted)
Ana: In answer to your question about the status of the NH independence movement, it's good to try and quantify things numerically if possible...rather than subjectively. This is going to be a little out of control in terms of length, but:
Reuters reports that roughly 24% of U.S. Americans favor independence for their states.
http://blogs.reuters.com/…/one-in-four-americans-want-thei…/
The number is lower in New England overall, but I don't think a scientific poll has yet been conducted of libertarian-leaning New Hampshire specifically. A non-scientific poll by New Hampshire's top newspaper, the Union Leader, concluded with 41% of responses favoring independence. That was the week after the Brexit...and a scientific poll would surely show the numbers to be much lower.
There are three entirely-secessionist organizations here averaging probably about three years in age.
NHIndependence.org
The NH Liberty Party https://www.facebook.com/NHLibertyParty/?fref=ts
and my own NHexit.com
The first two have received some media coverage reaching an audience of perhaps one-and-a-half million globally in their lifetimes. The Liberty Party is running someone for governor in the Democrat primary, not very actively campaigning and polling under 4%.
The number and size of media articles mentioning NHexit is perhaps 80 percent documented at
http://nhunderground.com/forum/index.php
...reaching an audience of perhaps 15 million globally in its lifetime.
However turnout at NHexit demonstrations is usually disappointing even by the standards of little New Hampshire, averaging about 8 per event... NHIndependence.org gets much better turnout by holding panels and speeches at libertarian conferences, perhaps three per year. Because of the Free State Project, NH has a constant trickle of incoming libertarian political migrants. Almost all of these favor secession...about 1700 are officially listed as having migrated to the state for the purpose of affecting change here. Most of these anti-Federal dissidents are not directly involved in independence efforts, but their number of "active activists" is comparable to that of the Republican Party. They tend to operate outside the system or run as Republicans and Democrats.
FreeTalkLive.com, an outspokenly pro-secession radio broadcast from NH, reaches an audience of perhaps 100,000 Americans per day and, in its own version of the Mladina incident, was raided by Federal police this year. The courts seem to be interfering in favor of Free Talk Live, however. The Federal "Secret Service" essentially had me arrested in 2011 for filming interviews near the Vice President's speech ("criminal trespass" was the charge). A judge found me not guilty.
https://freeconcord.org/…/not-guilty-verdict-in-ridley-tre…/
NH, as you may be aware, has various other similarities to 20th century Slovenia...hilly, pleasant tourist destination, peaceful, ethnically homogeneous (for better or worse), richest/freest/most successful part of the country, sends a lot more to the central government than it gets back, part of a Federal "nation" arguably in a state of slow collapse, subsidizes poor southern states, has roughly 1.4 million population, international border, tiny coastline, similar geographical size. Polling indicates New Hampshirites are generally (perhaps inappropriately) content with their state government. But our state system does not really allow for referendums generally, only for constitutional amendments. Those have to receive a 2/3 majority from the voters.
I guess you must have been a teenager or younger in the late 80s... but you perhaps you saw enough to have a sense how 1988-era Slovenia would compare with what I've described above (hopefully without to much partiality). What did *you* see and hear, then Ana? Do you have any advice for us? Do you ever travel to the U.S? You'd be a great speaker to have at one of the free stater events. Past speakers have included Ron Paul and Gary Johnson, but they like to have speakers who aren't necessarily libertarian: http://FreeStateProject.org
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Our allies at Laconia had concerns about the press yesterday. I tend to think liberty folk are lucky to have media attending whether they got their facts straight or not. Generally they should be welcomed and treated with transparency. You may want to record your interactions with them, openly...and upload. Here's my article on how to deal press.
"Our Local Media Relations" article

http://forum.freestateproject.org/index.php?topic=1421.0 '
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Re: NHexit.com discussion
« Reply #207 on: August 12, 2016, 11:02 PM NHFT »

Secession down to the last man!

 Yes.   

Either you own yourself or somebody else does.
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Re: NHexit.com discussion
« Reply #208 on: August 15, 2016, 07:31 PM NHFT »

Our longtime and valued friend Chris Gronski has scheduled an event for exiters and given me the ok to publish it generally:

"NHExit BBQ and Pot Luck
Host:Christopher & Liesbeth Gronski Phone: 603-671-8069
When: Saturday, September 3 at 3:00 PM
Where: The Gronski Home 168 Murray Hill Road
Hill, NH 03243"

Yayyy!

Also from Chris:


"If you can put this on there or a link to the invitation, that would be good...  You can arrive at 3:00 PM. Dinner will start at 5:00 PM and the fun will end at Midnight.
Please Bring:
1.) Lawn Chairs
2.) A Canopy (If you have one)
3.) Something to throw on the grill
4.) A Dish to SHARE
5.) BYOB
6.) Bring a Friend
7.) Sweater, Jacket or warm clothes for cool evening
Please RSVP (Let us know you’re planning to attend or not) If we do not know you are coming we’ll assume you’re not. Please arrive on time so we can eat together.
We’ll need extra lawn chairs, 1-3 folding tables and maybe 1-3 extra grills. Let us know if you can bring any of these.
We’ll be doing a Bonfire so bring S’mores if you like.
Christopher Gronski will do a short talk on the Historical, Legal, Financial, social and political challenges and opportunities of New Hampshire Seceding from the Union. Also, might look into putting a steering committee together to determine the direction this action might take or not.
See you then,
Christopher and Liesbeth Gronski"


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Re: NHexit.com discussion
« Reply #209 on: August 15, 2016, 07:53 PM NHFT »

I bet it will be fun.
It will also connect the faithful and leave out the trolls, by meeting together :)
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