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NHexit.com discussion
« on: June 23, 2016, 11:24 AM NHFT »

Since http://NHexit.com currently just links to a locked thread on this forum... Here is a thread for actually discussing it outside  Facebook, even though most of the discussion probably will be in Zuckerland.

What should the "organization," if you want to call it that... try to achieve between now and the end of 2016?

What would be the actual legislative or democratic process and primary hurdles related to NH withdrawing from the Union? 

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Re: NHexit.com discussion
« Reply #1 on: June 23, 2016, 07:31 PM NHFT »

you can claim your independence from the feds but not he zuckerpuppet
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Re: NHexit.com discussion
« Reply #2 on: June 24, 2016, 07:49 AM NHFT »

NHexit.com statement on the Brexit vote

If UK can do it to EU, why can't NH can do it to DC?

In 1788 New Hampshire tried to become part of a dream...a Federal system which made to her many of the same kinds of promises which the EU made to Britain.  But many New Hampshirites, like Britons, have experienced growing disillusion with the ever-bloating central government they joined.  It has become a bloodthirsty empire to which they now find themselves tightly bound. 

Faced with a more humane government at Brussels than the Washington regimes which have ruled us, British voters nevertheless chose to walk away.  How much more justified New Hampshire's departure would be...from the murderous wannabe globe-rulers in DC. 

The success of the Brexit vote offers a reminder that "unions" do not have to be "perpetual."  And our state would benefit if it were not part of something which has had a run of so many years, providing so much time for so much rot to run so deep.  In contrast with the unreachable Washington system, the New Hampshire government is generally accessible, changeable by unremarkable individuals.  It's a still-functioning representative democracy with possibly the best design of any state or national government on Earth.  To the extent that it still falls short, the blame often lies with its membership in the Union and the corrupting outside influence of Party and Federal manipulation.

Imagine a future where there were no layers of government above it, none to imprison you or your friends, none to tax you, none to impose over a million pages of law and regulation upon your actions (that is the actual Fed number)!   Achieving it would be a daunting task.   It's a Hail Mary pass in one sense...but unlike that particular play...it can partially succeed even if the ball is not caught.   Central governments treat restless regions more cautiously if they have strong independence movements.  London and Ottawa had to provide major concessions to Scotland and Quebec because of their (technically unsuccessful) separatist drives.  We need to spark that same phenomenon here in the "free state," if we want it to maintain even the limited freedoms it still has.

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« Last Edit: July 09, 2016, 02:55 AM NHFT by Dave Ridley »
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Re: NHexit.com discussion
« Reply #3 on: June 24, 2016, 08:23 AM NHFT »

I know that some of the delegates to the Constitutional Convention left in disgust and the thing was done without them.
For all I know the guys from NH where part of that group. :)
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Re: NHexit.com discussion
« Reply #4 on: June 24, 2016, 04:12 PM NHFT »

The New York representatives refused to take part in that coupe of '86.  Hamilton just replaced them with his stooges.  I've pointed that out to some devout and faithful statists here, asking them how that works into the mechanics their claims of presuming to rule, and only ever get blank stares.
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Re: NHexit.com discussion
« Reply #5 on: June 25, 2016, 11:17 PM NHFT »

The New York representatives refused to take part in that coupe of '86.  Hamilton just replaced them with his stooges.  I've pointed that out to some devout and faithful statists here, asking them how that works into the mechanics their claims of presuming to rule, and only ever get blank stares.

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Re: NHexit.com discussion
« Reply #6 on: June 26, 2016, 08:43 AM NHFT »

The New York representatives refused to take part in that coupe of '86.  Hamilton just replaced them with his stooges.  I've pointed that out to some devout and faithful statists here, asking them how that works into the mechanics their claims of presuming to rule, and only ever get blank stares.

Wasn't Rhode Island threatened with an economic blockade if they didn't join?  And what was this I heard about Jefferson later imposing an economic blockade on the whole country, preventing it from trading overseas?
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Re: NHexit.com discussion
« Reply #7 on: June 28, 2016, 07:38 PM NHFT »

Media coverage: All these articles mention NHexit.

"US out of NH" protest June 26:
http://www.concordmonitor.com/Manchester-NH-Foundation-for-New-Hampshire-Independence-NHexit-secession-3029464
http://www.wmur.com/news/inspired-by-the-brexit-new-hampshire-group-seeks-secession/40255336?utm_source=Social&utm_medium=FBPAGE&utm_campaign=WMUR-TV#comments
http://nhpr.org/post/inspired-brexit-granite-state-group-pushes-nhexit
https://www.freedomsphoenix.com/News/199317-2016-06-26-nhexit-movement-gaining-steam-after-brexit.htm
https://www.reddit.com/r/Anarcho_Capitalism/comments/4q59s7/concord_monitor_nhexit_calls_for_secession/
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pi_I-XU3Ztw
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iFC_uCSnwmU
http://freekeene.com/2016/06/25/first-brexit-now-nhexit/
http://www.unionleader.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=%2F20160627%2Faggregation%2F160629412%2F1007%2Fnews02

That was more or less all I could find as of June 28, although I'm probably forgetting some.  FreeTalkLive.com has discussed it about 5 times, and I called in to WCRN-AM and WKBK-AM about it.

June 29 update:  More articles have appeared about our June 26 protest:
The first one really fell into the trap!  I'm also starting to include articles that mention NHexit but not necessarily the June 26 protest.

http://wokq.com/forget-brexit-these-america-hating-seccessionists-want-the-nhexit/
http://www.bostonmagazine.com/news/blog/2016/06/28/new-hampshire-brexit/
http://triblive.com/usworld/world/10703011-74/britain-cameron-exit

http://www.f169bbs.com/bbs/news/285971-nhexit-calls-for-secession   
http://shark1053.com/tags/nhexit/

Editorial on NHexit in the Valley News: http://www.vnews.com/nhexit-3166659

WBZ apparently talked about it; I believe they're a top 3 Boston talk radio station.  From Twitter:  "Leah M. Willingham ?@LeahMWillingham  Jun 28
Catch me on @wbznewsradio's Reporters Roundup today talking about #NHexit @NHIndependence"

And from Twitter:
"42.62N @42_62N
Heard on NPR last night on drive home, NH group meet up to pick up street trash and discuss seceding from Union. @MorlockP, were you there?"

Around June 30 I think:
http://www.lfda.org/news/nhexit-campaign-calls-granite-state-secede
http://www.libertynewsdaily.com/blog-1423-%E2%80%9Cnhexit%E2%80%9D-movement-springs-up-in-new-hampshire

July 3:

Next News Now has picked it up...vid already has over a hundred comments.
 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IpH-bmQgg3g

Also here is the first written use I've found of the term "NHexit."  Anyone know of anything that predates it?

'Morlock Publishing ?@MorlockP  5 Jul 2015
OK, enough about #Grexit. Let's start talking #NHexit.
1 retweet 5 likes
Reply   Retweet  1   
Like 5'

http://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/texit-u-s-secessionist-movements-seize-brexit-n601991
http://www.nytimes.com/2016/06/30/us/texit-british-vote-revives-a-texas-secession-dream-and-spawns-a-hashtag.html?_r=0
  - This one gives NHexit one paragraph and links to the Monitor article.

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2016/jun/29/the-market-rocking-brexit-breakup/
http://www.caintv.com/first-brexit-now-five-more-plu
http://baodatviet.vn/the-gioi/tin-tuc-24h/brexit-lan-sang-my-kich-ban-3-bang-lon-doi-phan-ly-3312279/ 
  - Vietnamese newspaper apparently
http://pl.sputniknews.com/swiat/20160702/3320610/brexit-teksas-usa-texit.html
  - The old Voice of Russia I think.  A few other Russian and Chinese news sites are tracking it, but I lost track of them.


July 4

http://www.girardatlarge.com/2016/07/nh-exit/  NH radio station interviews me.  Me do badly.
http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2016/07/5-us-independence-movements-inspired-by-brexit-214010  This article gives us about 4 paragraphs of fairly unique coverage.
http://www.haaretz.co.il/news/world/america/.premium-1.2996809  - Looks like a Hebrew-language article.
 Some Spanish-language and German-language articles are starting to appear.  This is really the gift that keeps on giving, although we're sure to experience a lull eventually. 
 
http://fpp.cc/after-brexit-whats-nhexit/  - coverage of July 4 NHexit protest at Keene.
http://forum.ship-of-fools.com/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic;f=2;t=019850;p=1  - Lively web forum discussion

July 8 update:

https://amthirdpartyreport.com/tag/nhexit/ 

http://www.askanews.it/top-10/da-vexit-a-calexit-gli-stati-usa-che-sognano-di-lasciare-washington_711851330.htm  Rome paper says we were
   "di fronte a un edificio federale di Manchester." lol
http://www.nh1.com/news/nhexit-supporters-hoping-to-secede-from-us-gather-in-keene/   - This is the only mainstream coverage I've found so far of the July 4 protest
http://fpp.cc/after-brexit-whats-nhexit/ 

July 11
http://freest.at/NHexit
https://www.facebook.com/FSPmovers/posts/604742773028544

July 13
http://www.ocregister.com/articles/state-721979-california-government.html - Pro-secession mainstream big-press editorial! 
http://totalsurvival.net/secession-fever-sweeping-through-us-states-in-wake-of-brexit/ - seems to be a copy of one of the articles listed above
http://www.thedailysheeple.com/global-exit-secessions-and-breakups-occurring-everywhere_072016   - This article earned us a volunteer.

July 14: Went ahead and posted to about 6 active web forums about this.  Response is already lively 90 minutes into it. Will probably post to more later.... here's a list of the threads:
http://nhunderground.com/forum/index.php?topic=2613.msg361700#msg361700
didn't post to Reddit since we already have someone volunteered to talk us up there.

July 30

http://www.vnews.com/forum-3421804  Ridley Letter-To-Editor

http://www.fosters.com/news/20160722/hillary-execution-statement-repercussions - Statement regarding investigation of Trump supporter and connection to independence issue
http://www.girardatlarge.com/2016/07/defense-al-baldasaro/ - Kind of misnamed headline.
http://granitegrok.com/blog/2016/07/nhexit-statement-on-rep-al-baldasaros-controversial-comments

http://freekeene.com/2016/07/24/another-small-victory-for-nhexit/
http://bambuser.com/v/6380274  - Vid of Federal Protective Services issuing orders to NHexit.com activists.


As of Aug 3 2016:

http://www.lfda.org/current-trends/slight-majority-against-%E2%80%AAcall-nh-secede-us-864-participants-2282-responses?platform=hootsuite
https://www.facebook.com/LiveFreeorDieAlliance/posts/10154160582262211
http://freekeene.com/2016/07/31/secessionist-candidate-for-nh-governor-appears-on-manch-morning-radios-girard-at-large/




« Last Edit: August 03, 2016, 03:59 AM NHFT by Dave Ridley »
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Re: NHexit.com discussion
« Reply #8 on: June 28, 2016, 10:44 PM NHFT »

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Re: NHexit.com discussion
« Reply #9 on: June 29, 2016, 10:11 AM NHFT »


  I like the idea of celebrating secession day this July 4th.

  This whole topic reminds me of an Unfree Grafton town deliberative session a couple of years back. 

The serfs were bickering over the right amount of taxation to impose for the "4th of July celebration fireworks".  I had to point out they were discussing how much taxation to demand to celebrate their freedom from taxation.   

Blank stares and loud cud chewing ensued.
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Re: NHexit.com discussion
« Reply #10 on: June 29, 2016, 05:31 PM NHFT »

Did you get any video of that FL?   Also, the media coverage post from yesterday (above) is updated with new links.
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Re: NHexit.com discussion
« Reply #11 on: June 29, 2016, 09:23 PM NHFT »

Did you get any video of that FL?   Also, the media coverage post from yesterday (above) is updated with new links.

I'm not sure, it was maybe 3 or 4  years ago.  I'll check it out though someone may have recorded  that years meeting.

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Re: NHexit.com discussion
« Reply #12 on: June 29, 2016, 11:40 PM NHFT »


  I like the idea of celebrating secession day this July 4th.

I always make a point of referring to the holiday as Independence Day. I've gotten some pretty strong reactions, positive and negative. Of the negative, the ones that I laugh at are people that counter "The 4th of July!". Yes, it's all about cookouts and fireworks on that day. Not the freedoms we are supposed to have achieved by breaking away from the most powerful empire of the day.  ;D
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Re: NHexit.com discussion
« Reply #13 on: June 30, 2016, 06:03 PM NHFT »

Ya, not setting up a demonstration for independence day itself was probably a fail of sorts, but I didn't really have the means to lead it efficiently myself and time remaining was a little short, so I above-all-did-no-harmed.
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Re: NHexit.com discussion
« Reply #14 on: June 30, 2016, 06:43 PM NHFT »

Keene folks are setting up and independence day NHexit event
https://www.facebook.com/events/474765476067604/
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