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Author Topic: Maineshark in jail, 4/29/19  (Read 3370 times)

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Re: Maineshark in jail, 4/29/19
« Reply #30 on: November 18, 2019, 07:48 PM NHFT »

Nope, they didn't burn his house down, but while he's held without bail  (judges god complex?) , the oxymoronic "property tax" meter is still whirring away. 





   

Too true.
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Re: Maineshark in jail, 4/29/19
« Reply #31 on: November 19, 2019, 07:53 AM NHFT »

yea how long can they string this out
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Re: Maineshark in jail, 4/29/19
« Reply #32 on: November 19, 2019, 08:24 PM NHFT »

yea how long can they string this out


 "You have a right to a speedy trial...but we get to decide what speedy means"  -  them
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Re: Maineshark in jail, 4/29/19
« Reply #33 on: November 20, 2019, 12:51 AM NHFT »

Can you see this running more than a year?
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Re: Maineshark in jail, 4/29/19
« Reply #34 on: November 21, 2019, 08:08 PM NHFT »

Can you see this running more than a year?

 Don't know enough details to venture a guess how long the remaining legal circus will take, I'd be more concerned about after the circus if the state wins. 

The no bail thing sounds like legalese for "let's ram it up this guys ass" .
 
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Re: Maineshark in jail, 4/29/19
« Reply #35 on: November 22, 2019, 06:50 AM NHFT »

yea we almost have to assume that
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Re: Maineshark in jail, 4/29/19
« Reply #36 on: November 22, 2019, 07:28 AM NHFT »

From what I have seen "Prosecutors" are by definition assholes.

I Youtube gun guy I used to sometimes watch got busted with 1/2 ounce of pot and they threatened him with 30+ years in jail by stacking charges, He ended up having to take the plea deal of Intent to distribute. He got 60 days...They took 400k worth of guns and he can never touch a gun again.
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Re: Maineshark in jail, 4/29/19
« Reply #37 on: November 22, 2019, 11:33 PM NHFT »

yea ... what sort of person seeks a "prosecutor" job?
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Re: Maineshark in jail, 4/29/19
« Reply #38 on: November 23, 2019, 07:31 AM NHFT »

In order to prosecute people for victimless crimes, one would have to be either delusional, ignorant, evil, blatantly hypocritical, an asshole or some combination thereof.

While it might seem like I'm just being mean, I mean that in a clinically self evident and demonstrably provable sense, sort of the way Robert Higgs describes "there are no good cops".  Although I'm not sure if asshole is really a clinical term, but anus just sounds medical and not quite applicable.

 
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Re: Maineshark in jail, 4/29/19
« Reply #39 on: November 24, 2019, 01:22 AM NHFT »

the other thing that strikes me .... is how they are ready to prosecute any charge that is levied against an "offender".
I was in court this week in Waco TX for a hearing on whether the judge would allow me to represent myself. When I looked over at the little prosecutor girl .... I thought "she has no idea the facts in this case and why I was charged with 'failure to identify'". She said the contact was another prosecutor .... she probably had no idea why we were there.
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Re: Maineshark in jail, 4/29/19
« Reply #40 on: November 26, 2019, 07:46 PM NHFT »

From what I have seen "Prosecutors" are by definition assholes....

I may have had better luck with prosecutors than you have.  In traffic court, anyway.

1) I got pulled by a rookie Massachusetts state cop in the early 1980s with a headlight out, and unfortunately, I hadn't renewed my NH driver's license on time.  The cop wrote me up for both those offenses plus a noisy muffler ( I still had the receipt from its replacement two weeks earlier) and no insurance.

Everyone in that traffic court was "overcharged" so the prosecutor could agree to drop most if not all if you plead guilty to the only real charge, and he so offered.  I established a good rapport with him and he dropped one, and then the next, and then, when I went for the whole ball of wax, he said, "You know, you're pretty slick.  I bet you've been in trouble before".  I left there with one small fine.

2) I got pulled for speeding in Mass, again with no insurance plus an expired reg, but the "magistrate" basically coached me on what to say and they dropped everything but the speeding.

3) I got pulled in Arlington, Virginia on federal property for I don't remember what, and the cop discovered that my license to drive in Virginia had been suspended because I hadn't paid a breakdown lane violation fine a few years earlier.

The Federal prosecutor was a peach.  I mean, a real peach.   When I met with him, he gave me a politician's handshake and said, "Here's what we can do".  He said, "First, we'll drop 'this one' because everyone gets a deal here, and then, lets see what we can do about 'that one' ".

Here is where I got a legal education.  I was written up for driving with a suspended license, but as he recapitulated the facts, he seemed to misunderstand, saying that I was actually driving without a license, and I thought, "Hell no!  I'll be in deep shit if I had no license", so he listened to me patiently and then said, again, "OK, so you were driving without a license", and I said no, that my license was suspended, and I thought, "Man, is he thick!", and I tried again, but then he tried again. and said, "If someone is driving with a suspended license then they are violating an explicit Court Order and that can involve jail time, whereas if they are simply driving without a license, then the penalty is less, so, 'YOU WERE DRIVING WITHOUT A LICENSE, RIGHT?' "  And I realized I had been the dummy and said, "Right" and got off with a fine instead of a jail sentence.

4) I got pulled in Maryland for driving a van that the rear license plate had been stolen from that morning, and, sure enough, the reg was expired, too and I only had my old insurance card, not my current one, and the jerk cop wrote it up as driving uninsured rather than failure to produce proof of insurance, and added two other whoop-de-doo charges as well.

When I got to court, I was the only white person in the courtroom.  No exaggeration.  The only one.  I told the Black prosecutor that I was insured but just didn't have my current insurance card with me, because I had changed insurance companies recently and did not realize that my new carrier issued them for six months rather than for a year, and offered him both the one that encompassed the date of the offense as well as the older one, and I showed him my current, New Hampshire registration and mentioned that I was not a stickler on making sure that my proof of insurance card was current because insurance is not mandatory in New Hampshire, and he looked at the cards but didn't understand them and said, "So you've gotten insurance since then?" and I said, "No, I had insurance all along", and he twisted up his face, not understanding what I was saying and said,  "As long as you have insurance now, we can nol process all of this and we can send you on your way".  I mean, he was acting like he felt bad about having inconvenienced me, and they made me the first case "heard" that session even though I was in the middle of the docket, and they swept the three real violations under the rug along with the overcharged one.

I know that's traffic court, but still, I was treated with kid gloves by the prosecutor every time.  I sure hope I get treated like that if I ever do anything serious.  Being white, my odds are of course better than if I were non-white.

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Re: Maineshark in jail, 4/29/19
« Reply #41 on: November 26, 2019, 07:58 PM NHFT »

Your right about being white...
Also being articulate is a big plus.

I have benefited from cops letting me drive away because they knew if they started writing me up it was going to be multiple charges that would really screw me.

Of course that doesn't compare to the old days where I often never even had to show my license cause I started rapping before they got to that stage.

Those days are over... They are all about collecting data points these days.
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Re: Maineshark in jail, 4/29/19
« Reply #42 on: November 26, 2019, 09:33 PM NHFT »

that was the only thing I had going for me in court last week. I was the only one who spoke loud enough .... in English ... so the judge could understand me. :)
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