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Include Alberta website sucession links

Started by citizen_142002, January 24, 2006, 02:41 PM NHFT

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citizen_142002

www.freealberta.com
Alberta has a populace which in large part (48%) favors suceeding from Canada, and about 9% of the population wishes that Alberta would join the United States.
There are a number of other well done websites that turn up on google.
I think that a lot of us take for granted just how decentralized the Canadian Dominion is. To say that Canada is a bastion for socialism isn't entirely correct. Canada's metropolitan areas are definitely statist strongholds, but in more rural areas freedom isn't an entirely dead letter.
I hesitate to mention Quebec's independence movement because it has at it's core socialist ideology. Quebecois Libre is a French  Canadian website written from a pro-liberty angle. Most of the articles are in French, but there are some in English.

Russell Kanning


Fluff and Stuff

Quote from: russellkanning on January 24, 2006, 03:53 PM NHFT
Why do you think Alberta wants to seceed?

I don't know if it does.  But, take a look at this, http://www.ncpa.org/email/20050620efna.pdf
According to the Economic Freedom Index of North America Alberta has way more economic freedom than the rest of Canada and most of the US.

KBCraig

Quote from: citizen_142002 on January 24, 2006, 02:41 PM NHFT
about 9% of the population wishes that Alberta would join the United States.

That gives you a good idea how bad things are.

Russell Kanning

Some people in Alberta and Sask. want out for the same reasons some people in AK or MT or WY or NH want out. They want off the socialist crazy train.
Some want to break off all of western Canada, but BC is too socialist like WA and OR.

AlanM

I say more power to them. Self-determination is what freedom is all about.

tracysaboe

I'm all for Alberta Secession. But I think they'd be shooting themselves in the foot if after secession they joined the U.S. Hopefully we get encourage them to sucede in their secesion w/o joining the U.S.

Even Quebec secession should be supported. I mean, even if it is socialist, at least the power structures get decentralized.

Tracy

citizen_142002

Keep in mind that the Albertan Independence movement is fairly broadly based. Regardless of one's politics, it is easy to see that Alberta's mebership in the confederation is a fiscally detrimental situation. The movement seems to generally believe in less government than is embodied by Canada, but that doesn't make them raving anarcho capitalists either. I like to keep up to date on Independence movements because most of them advocate a more limited government and either way decentralization means more chances to create libertated systems of government.
I have repeatedly made posts advocating more dialouge with Second Vermont Republic, yes I know that when  it comes to economic issues they espouse many lefty-green regulations, but they make point which would also advance the cause of liberty.
Many people are critical of discussing issues outside of New Hampshire, but given the fact that New Hampshire is part of a greater union, I think that we should pay attention to movements which help limit or eliminate federal domination over the several states. Some of you don't support secession for New Hampshire, and in my dream world that wouldn't be prefferable to remaining in the United States. Such movements do bring attention to abuses of power by the federal government, and could help bring reforms which would restore the sovreignty of the states/provinces (including NH)
So I think that as lovers of liberty we can generally find cause to support overtaxed and overgoverned people, like those of Alberta. I certainly hope that secessionist sentiment will rise as high in America if our federal government becomes as socialist as that of Canada. Sadly, in many ways even Canada's power over the provinces is less centralized than in the states. The provinces have different drinking ages, sometimes different languages on their road signs, and Alberta has refused to follow Canada on the Kyoto Emissions Accord (they can actually do that!)

tracysaboe

#8
Yup

I'm all for Vermont Secession. I just don't want NH to join them when they secede. I want NH to be completely independent too w/o being entangled in a smaller confederation w/ it.

Not that a general New England secession wouldn't be a good thing, but as soon as it happens if it happens, I would prefer that NH seperate itself politically from it too.

Tracy

tracysaboe

We could definitely learn alot from them.

Hopefully if they're successfull, NH secession will be too.

Tracy