Put your list of benefits for NH secession here!

[tracysaboe]

We need a platform. A List of benifits. Then we need to go through and write paragraphs for why each of these benifits would appeal to both conservatives and liberals and libertarians. These explenations also need to be writen in a way supporting libertarian secession (We want to make sure this is done right. We don't want to secede from the federal government just for the STATE to get all the credit and then end up in police state/Socialist Independent NH.)

But for now post a list of benifits for secession. This is our outline. We can each take turns then writing a little paragraph for each.

No more Federal income tax.

No more Federal FBI, DOJ, Etc Thugs

Allen listed in a different thread

"No More federal mandates."

This should get us started. But I know there are many other reasons.

Oh, NH could be a Free Trade Zone Because we'd have no federal tarriffs, we'd be able to get everything on the world market at like half price (or less) then what we pay now. Everybody in NH would be instantly twice as wealthy.

No more federal researve. The State of NH has to keep a balanced budget. They wouldn't be able to just inflate money to pay their bills like the Feds. We intend to keep it that way when NH secedes.

Etc. We need a list of 20 or 30 good solid platformy type benifits.

Tracy

[tracysaboe]

You know what, if we can come up with 30 solid reasons for secession. I'll type up a draft of this platform for libertarian NH secession. (don't panic. I really can spell if I proof-read.)

Tracy

[tracysaboe]

No more social security or medicare confiscations.

Seriously though. Simply abolishing the IRS and having free trade is HUGE. Eveybody would be almost 4 times wealthier then they are right now with just that alone.

Tracy

[sandm000]

Tracy,
I don't want to piss on your head here, but 4 times richer is an absurd figure, but not for why you think. In actual terms you wouldn't have ~47% of your income confiscated as taxes of one form or another. That's in real terms, so you would be effectively twice as rich as you are now.  However, with no taxes tarrifs on imports, or subsidies for nonworking farmers to compete with imported goods, you would have much more buying power(has been estimated at up to 10 times your original income).
Although I do agree with your point. I think you should say twice as rich, because people don't understand that the money that goes out in taxes is then used against them to make them less wealthy.
Brian

[Russell Kanning]

No more "terrorist" attacks on our residents.

[JonM]

Many new government positions for ambassadors, new departments that national governments tend to want to have, lots of stuff!

Wouldn't a return to true constitutional federalism fulfill many of these desires without having to create the overhead of a national government?  As for the "we won't have ambassadors" crowd, I say good luck with that one!

[tracysaboe]

Tracy,
I don't want to piss on your head here, but 4 times richer is an absurd figure, but not for why you think. In actual terms you wouldn't have ~47% of your income confiscated as taxes of one form or another. That's in real terms, so you would be effectively twice as rich as you are now.  However, with no taxes tarrifs on imports, or subsidies for nonworking farmers to compete with imported goods, you would have much more buying power(has been estimated at up to 10 times your original income).
Although I do agree with your point. I think you should say twice as rich, because people don't understand that the money that goes out in taxes is then used against them to make them less wealthy.
Brian

You see that's why I said Wealthier. Not richer. You'd be able to keep all your money. (making you almost twice as wealthy.) Plus stuff would be half price.

On top of that would wouldn't have the OSHA/EPA and other regulations on employers. 4 times wealthier is actually very conservative. When you take into the account the cost of regulation on businesses. Most businesses spend between 5-8 dollars per hours on employinies just complying with regulations.

What does this mean. Your average meanial laber job working at Mc Donalds could potentially be making 11 dollars an hours instead of 6. He be able to keep ALL of it instead of a high chunk of it getting confiscated for SSN/Medicare/Income taxes. See already he's more then twice as rich as he would be with federal government all else being equal.

Plus stuff (depending on the items) would be between 1 half to 1 quarter the price.

4 times wealthier (not richer, only about twice as rich, wealthier) is a very conservative estimate.

Thanks Russle.

Tracy

[tracysaboe]

We already pay for ambassitors. They're called U.S. Senators. and US. Reps.

They would simply have more duties. They'd actually have to work for a change.

Tracy

[Russell Kanning]

We just finished watching "Miracle" and we were talking about the Iran hostage thing.
With no government ..... we could avoid those situations.

[tracysaboe]

No more "terrorist" attacks on our residents.

By terrorist to you mean U.S. Government? Or do you mean actual terrorists.

I think you're correct if you're speaking about actual terrorists. Terrorists wouldn't be attacking NH if they new we weren't part of the Empire anymore.  Or at least they'd be a lot less likely too.

The federal government n the other hand, might not like seeing their power base destroyed.  There could be violence from them.

That would be a good thing for the FAQ page. "Wouldn't the federal governmente attack us?" I think somebody else was working on some of those ideas.

Tracy

[Russell Kanning]

I mean fake terrorist attacks ..... I guess if the fed hated us ..... they would just have a regime change war on us to bring democracy and freedom to the war torn region of new england.

[TackleTheWorld]

How about:
No more threat of conscripting soldiers into an army.
No more paying for waging war on foriegn peoples.
No more standing army dominating the citizens in time of crisis.

[Russell Kanning]

No more federal war on drugs

[aries]

No more needing a passport to get back from Canada

No more machine gun and light arms manufactured after 1986 ban.

[estoves]

Easier for non US citizen to move to NH.