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What are the downsides to secession?

Started by Dave Ridley, February 17, 2006, 06:46 PM NHFT

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JonM

#30
February 21, 2006, 10:13 PM NHFT Last Edit: February 21, 2006, 10:22 PM NHFT by JonM
I have no issue with using Independence, it doesn't have the negative connotations that secession has.  As I said before, secession is a means, limiting you.  Independence is a goal, leaving you access to whatever means might achieve it.

Fluff and Stuff

#31
February 21, 2006, 10:48 PM NHFT
Quote from: calibaba77 on February 21, 2006, 10:09 PM NHFT
At any rate, you've 1) piqued their interest 2) started a discussion along lines that are never discussed 3) put an idea in their head 4) generated some excitement
Caleb

How will this get you elected to Congress?

Caleb

#32
February 21, 2006, 11:15 PM NHFT
How will it get me elected to Congress?  Hmmm.  Let me see.  Well, I could campaign on the fact that I am the only person in the country actively campaigning on a platform of eliminating my own job.  ;) 

Caleb

tracysaboe

#33
February 22, 2006, 01:20 AM NHFT Last Edit: February 22, 2006, 01:22 AM NHFT by tracysaboe
Quote from: Dreepa on February 21, 2006, 08:30 PM NHFT
Quote from: tracysaboe on February 18, 2006, 12:08 PM NHFT
Perhaps NH taxes would go up a little bit --
I don't think so.
For every dollar that that NH sends the Feds we get back $.83.

I'm not saying they'd go up because they NEED to. Definitely they would be able to go down and keep the same revenue coming into the state -- all else being equal.

I'm saying that the Parasites in the Government machinery of the state of new hampshire could quite possibly get away w/ increasing it because -- all else being equal, they could raise taxes and maintain the same "tax competitiveness" they have with the surounding states.

But that's what all the libertarian activists on the ground are their to prevent when sessesion actually happens 13 years from now. (That's my prediction.)

Tracy

tracysaboe

#34
February 22, 2006, 01:23 AM NHFT
Quote from: calibaba77 on February 21, 2006, 11:15 PM NHFT
How will it get me elected to Congress?  Hmmm.  Let me see.  Well, I could campaign on the fact that I am the only person in the country actively campaigning on a platform of eliminating my own job.  ;) 

Caleb

That's actually a catchy sell.

Tracy

Russell Kanning

#35
February 22, 2006, 06:49 AM NHFT
I have also forgotten JonM lives in Mass ...... he is used to being around unhappy socialists and losing.

Ron Helwig

#36
February 22, 2006, 07:13 AM NHFT
Quote from: calibaba77 on February 21, 2006, 11:15 PM NHFT
How will it get me elected to Congress?  Hmmm.  Let me see.  Well, I could campaign on the fact that I am the only person in the country actively campaigning on a platform of eliminating my own job.  ;) 

Caleb

I don't have a link, but I'm pretty sure that's been done. An elected Libertarian eliminated his own position.

Of course, running as a Libertarian gave him some credibility in that respect. No one would ever expect a D or R to actually carry that promise through.  :duh:

Dreepa

#37
February 22, 2006, 07:27 AM NHFT
Quote from: rhelwig on February 22, 2006, 07:13 AM NHFT

I don't have a link, but I'm pretty sure that's been done. An elected Libertarian eliminated his own position.

Of course, running as a Libertarian gave him some credibility in that respect. No one would ever expect a D or R to actually carry that promise through.  :duh:
Yeah it was an LP member in Utah I think.

JonM

#38
February 22, 2006, 08:42 AM NHFT
Quote from: russellkanning on February 22, 2006, 06:49 AM NHFT
I have also forgotten JonM lives in Mass ...... he is used to being around unhappy socialists and losing.


What gives you the impression the socialists in Taxachusetts are unhappy?

Eli

#39
February 22, 2006, 10:22 AM NHFT
Because they are socialists, of course!

Lloyd Danforth

#40
February 22, 2006, 10:32 AM NHFT
Quote from: JonM on February 22, 2006, 08:42 AM NHFT
Quote from: russellkanning on February 22, 2006, 06:49 AM NHFT
I have also forgotten JonM lives in Mass ...... he is used to being around unhappy socialists and losing.


What gives you the impression the socialists in Taxachusetts are unhappy?

Because the state is not, completely Socialist?

KBCraig

#41
February 22, 2006, 10:37 AM NHFT
Quote from: rhelwig on February 22, 2006, 07:13 AM NHFT
I don't have a link, but I'm pretty sure that's been done. An elected Libertarian eliminated his own position.

Alan Weiss did that. It was a regional utilities board in Texas.

Kevin

Thespis

#42
February 22, 2006, 12:48 PM NHFT Last Edit: February 22, 2006, 04:49 PM NHFT by Thespis
Quote from: calibaba77 on February 21, 2006, 10:09 PM NHFT(Although I think I'm starting to prefer the term "independence" to "secession".)

I think this is a good idea. Declaring independence will strike a much better chord with people than secession does. I know it's all just semantics, but if it helps get your message across, why not use it?

Russell Kanning

#43
February 23, 2006, 11:46 AM NHFT
Quote from: JonM on February 22, 2006, 08:42 AM NHFT
Quote from: russellkanning on February 22, 2006, 06:49 AM NHFT
I have also forgotten JonM lives in Mass ...... he is used to being around unhappy socialists and losing.
What gives you the impression the socialists in Taxachusetts are unhappy?
They look unhappy whenever I am there. The state seems 90% populated by very unhappy people.

JonM

#44
February 23, 2006, 12:05 PM NHFT
Quote from: russellkanning on February 23, 2006, 11:46 AM NHFT
Quote from: JonM on February 22, 2006, 08:42 AM NHFT
Quote from: russellkanning on February 22, 2006, 06:49 AM NHFT
I have also forgotten JonM lives in Mass ...... he is used to being around unhappy socialists and losing.
What gives you the impression the socialists in Taxachusetts are unhappy?
They look unhappy whenever I am there. The state seems 90% populated by very unhappy people.
Are you sure you're running into the actual socialists, and not just the people being downtrodden by them?
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