actually doing nothing

[Dreepa]

Now can I quote Marx?

[Russell Kanning]

See .... KB is "actually doing something"

[Caleb]

Caleb... start a thread on this tax free shelter....maybe more people should know the details.

Dreepa, tax free shelters are easy enough ... just be a non-profit.  I'm going to do mine as a religious ministry, a "retreat" if you will.  You can make yours a charity, whatever floats your boat.

The downside is that the kelo decision will put your property on a hit list for eminent domain seizures, since all the state now has to prove is that seizing property will increase tax revenues.

Caleb

[FrankChodorov]

Caleb... start a thread on this tax free shelter....maybe more people should know the details.

Dreepa, tax free shelters are easy enough ... just be a non-profit.  I'm going to do mine as a religious ministry, a "retreat" if you will.  You can make yours a charity, whatever floats your boat.

The downside is that the kelo decision will put your property on a hit list for eminent domain seizures, since all the state now has to prove is that seizing property will increase tax revenues.

by shifting taxes off of buildings and onto land values while getting rid of zoning you will insure that ALL locations are put to highest and best use where speculation on socially created land values will no longer be in competition with labor...you will nullify the impetus behind the Kelo eminent domain ruling.

there is a case going on right now in Peterborough where the town is challenging the non-profit status of an artist community over property tax contributions

[Fluff and Stuff]

there is a case going on right now in Peterborough where the town is challenging the non-profit status of an artist community over property tax contributions

Yeah, it only makes sense.  If there is a property tax, all should have to pay it.  That means even the government and non-profits.

[FrankChodorov]

there is a case going on right now in Peterborough where the town is challenging the non-profit status of an artist community over property tax contributions

Yeah, it only makes sense.  If there is a property tax, all should have to pay it.  That means even the government and non-profits.

the specific challenge is how do writers who mainly come to the artist community and write books which they then sell and reap the rewards further the common good?

[Russell Kanning]

How about we go the other way and not have a property tax? or
If there is a property tax, none should pay it.

[Fluff and Stuff]

How about we go the other way and not have a property tax? or
If there is a property tax, none should pay it.

What tax is more fair than the property tax?  I think the income tax is worse.  I also think a food tax is worse.  We cannot end all taxes overnight.

[Russell Kanning]

If there is a property tax, I will not pay it. What they do with it is wrong.

[FrankChodorov]

If there is a property tax, I will not pay it. What they do with it is wrong.

what if instead it was for the privilege of keeping others from the natural opportunities afforded by nature and from the socially created values embodied in locations - none of which have anything to do with a specific persons labor and instead of the state keeping the money it was shared equally amongs all members of the community.

this is essentially the belief that Leo Tolstoy supported...

[FrankChodorov]

How about we go the other way and not have a property tax? or
If there is a property tax, none should pay it.

substitute the word "economic rent" for "property tax" and you will see that even in an anarchy when people are given exclusive use of specific locations it forces those who are excluded to accept being economically harmed (taxed)...

this fact is irrefutable...how are you going to deal with it?

non-payment is not possible...

[president]

this is essentially the belief that Leo Tolstoy supported...

mmmmm.....Tolstoy

It a man aspires towards a righteous life, his first act of abstinence is from injury to animals.

If he be really and seriously seeking to live a good life, the first thing from which he will abstain will always be the use of animal food, because, to say nothing of the excitation of the passions caused by such food, its use is simply immoral, as it involves the performance of an act which is contrary to the moral feeling -- killing; and is called forth only by greediness and the desire for tasty food.

A man can live and be healthy without killing animals for food; therefore, if he eats meat, he participates in taking animal life merely for the sake of his appetite. And to act so is immoral.

Vegetarianism serves as the criterion by which we know that the pursuit of moral perfection on the part of humanity is genuine and sincere.

"Thou shalt not kill" does not apply to murder of one's own kind only, but to all living beings; and this Commandment was inscribed in the human breast long before it was proclaimed from Sinai.

[Caleb]

The problem I have with "property tax" is that it makes an assumption not in evidence:  namely, that I choose to participate in their currency. 

I believe that people should have the option, if they so choose, of subsistence living.  Property tax seems to imply that their use of the land, either as a subsistence farmer or a hunter/gatherer, is legitimate only insofar as they continue to fork over phony "dollars" to a "state" that they may not even acknowledge.

If I want to "Thoreau it" ... I should have that option; my land shouldn't be seized because I am not using that land to create "wealth" and subsequently turning that wealth over to some supposed authority.

[Fluff and Stuff]

The problem I have with "property tax" is that it makes an assumption not in evidence:  namely, that I choose to participate in their currency. 

I believe that people should have the option, if they so choose, of subsistence living.  Property tax seems to imply that their use of the land, either as a subsistence farmer or a hunter/gatherer, is legitimate only insofar as they continue to fork over phony "dollars" to a "state" that they may not even acknowledge.

If I want to "Thoreau it" ... I should have that option; my land shouldn't be seized because I am not using that land to create "wealth" and subsequently turning that wealth over to some supposed authority.

Are you not allowed to camp in any of NH's government forests without paying?

[Caleb]

I don't know if I can, and frankly I don't care.  You are evading the issue:  You are saying that it would be legitimate to deny me the right to OWN, as long as I was given the right to USE.