We The People / Aaron Russo video

[FrankChodorov]

This of course is for your own good because the other two hosts would have a heyday with you.

this would make for good radio then, don't you think?

I mean you could think of it as payback for the way Dan Belforte and I beat up on poor Dan McGuire when I was a recent guest on his radio show - left, right, and correct...

[CNHT]

This of course is for your own good because the other two hosts would have a heyday with you.

this would make for good radio then, don't you think?

I mean you could think of it as payback for the way Dan Belforte and I beat up on poor Dan McGuire when I was a recent guest on his radio show - left, right, and correct...

I wasn't aware that you 'beat up' on Dan McGuire...? What possibly could have been the reason? Unless it's because Dan sometimes leans to the left...Belforti that is...and Dan McGuire is to the right, because he doesn't want socialism or world government either.

[FrankChodorov]

This of course is for your own good because the other two hosts would have a heyday with you.

this would make for good radio then, don't you think?

I mean you could think of it as payback for the way Dan Belforte and I beat up on poor Dan McGuire when I was a recent guest on his radio show - left, right, and correct...

I wasn't aware that you 'beat up' on Dan McGuire...? What possibly could have been the reason?

Dan M essentially claimed that because we were in a war on terror we had to go into Iraq...Dan B vehemently disagreed and I said I object to the terms of the debate (using "war on terror") and believe that we responded exactly how Osama wanted (getting rid of his enemy Saddam, uniting the muslim world) and only strengthened Iran's hand.

[Dreepa]

What war?

Did Congress declare war?

[CNHT]

Dan M essentially claimed that because we were in a war on terror we had to go into Iraq...Dan B vehemently disagreed and I said I object to the terms of the debate (using "war on terror") and believe that we responded exactly how Osama wanted (getting rid of his enemy Saddam, uniting the muslim world) and only strengthened Iran's hand.

You had differing opinions but that doesn't make EITHER of you right or wrong, so you essentially did not beat up on him, it's just that you agreed with Dan B.

Also, we prefer not to argue about things which we know little about, preferring to deal with NH issues that we can change by working together.
We are not divisive like you are.

[Lloyd Danforth]

I'm thinking that the human mind's power to create anything stops short of Elements Matter

Fixed it!

[FrankChodorov]

we prefer not to argue about things which we know little about

you mean the CNHT knows little about the philosophical basis of our property rights and the resulting justification for the property tax system here in NH?

preferring to deal with NH issues that we can change by working together

I am advocating getting rid of the building value tax portion of the property tax and shifting to only collecting the full land value tax portion to protect the labor based property rights of those being excluded by exclusive use of our natural commons by individuals.

will you join me?

[CNHT]

we prefer not to argue about things which we know little about

you mean the CNHT knows little about the philosophical basis of our property rights and the resulting justification for the property tax system here in NH?

"We" refers to myself. And yourself. WE don't know the whole story about the WAR that some of you love to argue about so it's pointless. I work for NH mostly. And CNHT's specialty is taxes and property rights. No one agreed with you on the well being metered remember? No private well has ever been.

preferring to deal with NH issues that we can change by working together

I am advocating getting rid of the building value tax portion of the property tax and shifting to only collecting the full land value tax portion to protect the labor based property rights of those being excluded by exclusive use of our natural commons by individuals.

will you join me?

If you knew what you were talking about I might.......   

[Dreepa]

WE don't know the whole story about the WAR that some of you love to argue about so it's pointless. I work for NH mostly.

I know that Congress never declared war so therefore the sending of troops invade and takeover another country is against the Constitution.

[CNHT]

WE don't know the whole story about the WAR that some of you love to argue about so it's pointless. I work for NH mostly.

I know that Congress never declared war so therefore the sending of troops invade and takeover another country is against the Constitution.

I agree with that. I just don't feel that I can know everything going on behind the scenes to justify or condemn what was done...regardless of how the congress would have voted. So I stick with NH issues that I can actually influence and respect the right of others to take stands on Iraq either way and don't want to waste time arguing about it. I think Belforti and other talk shows waste a lot of time on that stuff, whereas ours deals with NH mostly.

What scares me is I hope people who believe in open borders have learned and understand now why I believe we must keep US sovereignty as that is an act to preserve us from and in response to the One Worlders...and necessary. Because while it may be true that One World Government advocates could eradicate poverty, hunger, and war, (their excuse) it will be by their management of every resource and every person the way they see is fair = SOCIALISM. Then there won't be gov'ts fighting each other, just people fighting the gov't!

So we need a government, limited yes, but of some sort to keep this out. Even countries like Canada who are very socialistic and ascribe to all this UN stuff, keep a close eye on their borders. (I suppose if they are redistributing the wealth, they want to make sure it's only to those who initially contributed.)

If there were not a Global Threat then we could let the borders be open.

[FrankChodorov]

No one agreed with you on the well being metered remember? No private well has ever been.

I said that it may come to that as I don't see how the state acting as the public trustee of our common asset - ground water - can insure other individuals equal acces rights to the water can be protected when the sustainable yield is eventually breached...if you can't restrict the water going into someone's well then you have to limit what comes out.

If you knew what you were talking about I might

so you don't agree with me that the taxing of buildings (capital) is theft?

[CNHT]

No one agreed with you on the well being metered remember? No private well has ever been.

I said that it may come to that as I don't see how the state acting as the public trustee of our common asset - ground water - can insure other individuals equal acces rights to the water can be protected when the sustainable yield is eventually breached...if you can't restrict the water going into someone's well then you have to limit what comes out.

It can't come to that unless we let it ? and the people here rallied with us at the state house and it DID NOT. As the law stands now, you cannot meter my private well. I'm glad you conceded on that fact. I should gain some karma for being right!

If you knew what you were talking about I might

so you don't agree with me that the taxing of buildings (capital) is theft?

I think ALL taxation is theft because it's forced.  So there.

[Kat Kanning]

Not to divert you all from endless debate...

It was hard to narrow this down, the movie covered so much.  Any corrections?  I took the quotes from the preview.

Hundreds turn out for screening of Arron Russo's "America:  From Freedom to Fascism"

By Kat Dillon

About 300 people attended the We the People Foundation (http://givemeliberty.org) screening of Aaron Russo's new movie, "America:  From Freedom to Fascism" in Londonderry on  Sunday March 26th.   Russo's movie delved into a wide array of subjects, from the Federal Reserve system, lack of accountability from Fort Knox gold reserves, the legality of the Federal Income Tax, IRS abuses of the innocent, lack of constitutional restraint, similarities of the US to a police state, The New World Order, the upcoming National ID Card, to abuses of Radio Frequency Identification (RFID) technology.

The film's impetus was the Truth-in-Taxation Movement's claim that the Federal Income Tax is unconstitutional.  The We the People Foundation has been asking the government a simple question, "Where is the law that says average Americans have to pay taxes on their wages?"  Easy question, right?  But since 2002, the Federal Government and the IRS have refused to answer this straightforward question.  The Supreme Court has ruled that the 16th Amendment did not confer to the government any new taxation powers (Stanton v. Baltic Mining Co.)  The movie points to lower court judges blatantly refusing to allow this Supreme Court decision be entered into evidence in trials of tax resisters.  Ex-IRS Commissioner Sheldon Cohen ended the interview when asked about this Supreme Court decision, rather than answer Russo's questions about it. 

The issue of the Federal Reserve has surprises for even those familiar with the subject.  In 1913, the power allotted to Congress to coin money was handed over to a private group of banks otherwise known as the Federal Reserve.  Author Franklin Saunders asks, "Why have we given a monopoly of creating money out of thin air to a private corporation?" That the public is not allowed to even know what banks are a part of the Federal Reserve is driven home by author Michael Ruppert.  Toward the end of the movie, it is revealed that there has not been an accounting of the gold in Fort Knox in recent history.

In an interview with Congressman Ron Paul of Texas, Paul states, "You have to get permission for almost everything.  If that's a definition of a police state, that you can't do anything unless the government gives you permission, we're well on our way."  Dramatic footage brings the police state into focus with a Florida woman being repeatedly tasered to her pitiful screams of pain.  Her crime?  Driving with a suspended license.  Another woman is tasered while huddled on the ground.  She had been protesting. 

Programmer Clinton Eugene Curtis is questioned at a hearing about programs for the new electronic voting machines, "Mr. Curtis, are there programs that can be used to fix elections?"  Curtis replies with a definitive, "Yes."  And when asked if he thought the Ohio presidential election in 2004 was rigged, he said that it appeared to have been.

New Hampshire activist and Spychips author Katherine Albrecht is interviewed in the movie about the dangers of RFID technology.  She paints a frightening picture of our every move, our every purchase being tracked by the government in the near future.  With the use of RFID in money, you could not make purchases with regular money without the approval or knowledge of the government.  To be a political dissident would be a condemnation to live completely outside normal society.

At the end of the movie, Russo poses the very apt question, "What are you going to do about it?"  He first poses the idea of civil disobedience, a great suggestion, which I think he should have stuck with. The movie screams for revolt. But he dilutes the whole message of the movie by then suggesting electing people who will not do these horrible things to us, even after making it clear that the elections are rigged.  He would have done well to stick with the idea of non-violent, non-cooperation in the tradition of Gandhi and Martin Luther King, Jr.  I wonder if Mr. Russo realizes the power of such action.  It cannot be ignored, and puts pressure on everyone to act.  It is feared by government more than any other means of resistance, for good reason.  They must have our consent to enslave us.  They are too few, and we too many for it to be otherwise.

You can view a preview of the movie online at http://www.freedomtofascism.com/.  Russo plans to release the movie to theaters this summer.

[CNHT]

Wow excellent Kat! Be sure to mention the global forces outside the US, such as the UN and World Government proponents as well.

[FrankChodorov]

As the law stands now, you cannot meter my private well.

yes but we haven't reached the sustainable yield of the groundwater.

once we do you will be required to not use your well or have it metered.

if you can describe another way to protect the individual equal access rights of all others I'd be interested in hearing...

I'm glad you conceded on that fact

yes, I concede that we have not yet reached the sustainable yield of the groundwater (the amount that can be used up to the replentishment rate without harming the asset itself)