We The People / Aaron Russo video

[FrankChodorov]

he is listed on the Von Mises page, of all places...

yes Frank Chodorov was an influential libertarian and georgist (head of the Henry George school in NYC).

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frank_Chodorov

[CNHT]

SVR is a left libertarian project while the FSP is a right libertarian project

I finally got him to admit he is a lefty. Case closed.

classical liberals were leftists...case open!

Who cares whether they are classical or not ? they are still liberals, still believe in the 'common' good, and thus have a penchant for forcing that common good on the rest of us.
You are doing more to help the "one worlders" than the hippies and borderless believers combined!  @#!@#$!@#$

[CNHT]

he is listed on the Von Mises page, of all places...

yes Frank Chodorov was an influential libertarian and georgist (head of the Henry George school in NYC).

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frank_Chodorov

Another score for the perceptive on this board who already mentioned the word 'Georgist'.

[CNHT]

classical liberals were leftists...case open!

Most of the people here are not liberals.

[Dreepa]

SVR is an explicit independence project while FSP is not.

I never said FSP was.

[FrankChodorov]

classical liberals were leftists...case open!

Most of the people here are not liberals.

me neither...I am an "old right" catholic distributist and individualist anarchist "mutualist"

[CNHT]

me neither...I am an "old right" catholic distributist and individualist anarchist "mutualist"

All euphemisms aside, same thing.
Additionally, you've been OUTED with a little bit of research:

Folks, don't bother arguing anymore with 'Frank', er Bill Grennon, as he has been OUTED as an instrument of the New World Order...

To wit I offer you his involvement in not only the Green party, and the DFCNH, but he is also part of the push if the SVR  to make the Northeast Corner of the Continent one nation ala the agenda of the UN. (The UN would seek to divide the world into 8 sections, New Acadia being one.)

Read on:

COMMENTAIRES
The ultimate goal of the SVR is to form a confederation of Vermont, New Hampshire, Maine with the Canadian Maritimes and possibly Quebec to form a new nation about the size of Denmark called "New Acadia"

In the upcoming February edition of the Vermont Commons on economics we will be publishing a part of Gar Alperovitz book on the Pluralistic Commonwealth called: "America Beyond Capitalism"..We need to start reaching out to our Canadian counterparts in the Maritimes who have much more extensive experience with cooperative economics.

Bill Grennon
SVR, board member
Vermont Commons, contributing editor
--end--

Beyond capitalism eh???

Then we have more evidence here:

http://www.reformthelp.org/forms/profilePopup.php?userId=21

http://www.nhgreens.org/cgi-bin/YaWPS/forum.cgi?op=view_thread;board=lakes;thread=32

http://www.ecodema.org/archives/000138.html

[Tunga]

Dismantle them we will.

We must.

you have to say exactly why we must and it must be compelling...

Fine Frank! You rest. I'll get it.

[Tunga]

I'm thinking that the human mind's power to create anything stops short of Elements Matter

Actually the new age movement posits that the human mind can create anything. They even have a guy that can do it right in front of your eyes. Based on the fact (born out by the earth penetrating HARRP and it's Finish counterpart findings that the earths core consists of two counter rotating pyramids (base to base)) that this planet is actually a machine manufactured by a bunch of crazy aliens on a quest to see if there is any validity to the whole "free will" argument versus divine ordination. So far its a draw. But things are heating up so to speak.

Only on earth.

[Tunga]

Scientists Use Light to Create Particles

By MALCOLM W. BROWNE

A trailblazing experiment at the Stanford Linear Accelerator Center in California has confirmed a longstanding prediction by theorists that light beams colliding with each other can goad the empty vacuum into creating something out of nothing.

In a report published this month by the journal Physical Review Letters, 20 physicists from four research institutions disclosed that they had created two tiny specks of matter -- an electron and its antimatter counterpart, a positron -- by colliding two ultrapowerful beams of radiation.

http://www.slac.stanford.edu/exp/e144/nytimes.html

Way back in the eightys the students at MIT created "Quasicrystals" by shineing lasers through an anular slit to create an interference pattern that defined a new form of matter.

Stanford is way behind the times. Plus too also as Tunga found out first hand, it's not the amount of power, but how you use it that makes the difference between wasting large sums of government funding and discovering the truth of that greatest of scientific mysteries.

"The greatest mysteries are those that lie within the human heart" -Thoth -The Emerald Tablets

[CNHT]

Who the fuck is this guy, anyway?????

To answer your question more specifically:

http://forum.soulawakenings.com/index.php?topic=3206.msg58352#msg58352

The SVR are nothing but UN apologists....Scotty you might want to rethink your sig line.  :-)

[FTL_Ian]

Actually the new age movement posits that the human mind can create anything. They even have a guy that can do it right in front of your eyes. Based on the fact (born out by the earth penetrating HARRP and it's Finish counterpart findings that the earths core consists of two counter rotating pyramids (base to base)) that this planet is actually a machine manufactured by a bunch of crazy aliens on a quest to see if there is any validity to the whole "free will" argument versus divine ordination. So far its a draw. But things are heating up so to speak.

Only on earth.

You sure are entertaining!  Crazy, but entertaining!

[Dreepa]

'Think and Grow Rich' Napolean Hill.

How the fuck did this thread get taken over by talk of Georgists?

Repeat after me... avoid the topic.... don't get sucked in.

[FrankChodorov]

How...did this thread get taken over by talk of Georgists?

Repeat after me... avoid the topic.... don't get sucked in.

because we apply the same analysis to money as part of the social commons and the return on money being interest which is socially created value as we do land as part of the natural commons with the return on land being economic rent and socially created.

if you allow the socially created value to be privatized you will forfeit the rights to labor-based property and thus to self-ownership.

that's why...

the film cited Abraham Lincoln quote about tha government issuing money and not private bankers who charge interest on loaned money...Lincoln issued the greenback fiat currency during the civil war.

after the war there was a political party called the "Greenback Party"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Greenback_Party

[CNHT]

See my previous post with 'Frank's' "credentials and you will understand why all this talk that is so anti-capitalist.