I am going to leave the USA

[aworldnervelink]

I'm far less convinced at this point that there is some undiscovered utopia out there just waiting for expats to arrive.

Then of what value are you to the free state project?  You sound defeated.

I determined that if I returned to the US, I would be as active as possible in the freedom movement. And that is exactly what I've been doing over the past six months.

[Mrs. Concious]

You've talked a lot about your freedoms that you are gaining by leaving.  But what are you doing to help take down this evil American empire?  Nothing!  Your suggestion is just to leave.  But leaving doesn't affect them at all.

Those of us who are staying are well aware that we could be more free by leaving.  But we're also aware that if we do that, they've already won.

I want this world to be free for my children and grandchildren, and I'm willing to fight the odds and try to end this tyranny now.

Would you have sacrifice my freedom for yours?  Another stripe of socialism?

Again, I am committed to absolute liberty as best as I can get it.  Are you suggesting that I forgo the benefit of actual liberty in another country to be had right now and instead move against the well entrenched and well finance and broadly supported collectivist empire called Amerika?

Are you miserable and needing company?

[JonM]

You've talked a lot about your freedoms that you are gaining by leaving.  But what are you doing to help take down this evil American empire?  Nothing!  Your suggestion is just to leave.  But leaving doesn't affect them at all.

Those of us who are staying are well aware that we could be more free by leaving.  But we're also aware that if we do that, they've already won.

I want this world to be free for my children and grandchildren, and I'm willing to fight the odds and try to end this tyranny now.

Would you have sacrifice my freedom for yours?  Another stripe of socialism?

Again, I am committed to absolute liberty as best as I can get it.  Are you suggesting that I forgo that to attempt to get here when it is a sure thing elsewhere?

Are you miserable and needing company?

Why
Are
You
Still
Here?

[Mrs. Concious]

AHA!!!!! So I was on the right track....so there. But you seem to love money and think that's the end all be all to being 'free'.

Those darn money grubbing capitalists...the need to share the wealth and if not we will legislate it out of them.

Please forget about St. Kitts....America needs you....fight on!

[CNHT]

Would you have sacrifice my freedom for yours?  Another stripe of socialism?

Um I am not sure how Cali would do that...no one is stopping you from leaving the country for some third world place, if that's what you think you should do...

Again, I am committed to absolute liberty as best as I can get it.  Are you suggesting that I forgo that to attempt to get here when it is a sure thing elsewhere?

We are glad you are committed to absolute liberty. But to say it is a sure thing elsewhere is a bit naive. Maybe you would be happier somewhere else, and so as we said, good luck to you. But it is not a 'sure thing' anyplace and requires work and vigilance, just like making money does.  I guess this is why you remind me of a utopian of the 60s. Don't let the idea that utopia is right around the corner because of what one person like you will do (because it isn't) cloud your efforts to make small gains in liberty.

Are you miserable and needing company?

Uh oh, what does that mean? Are you running a dating service? Is that what this was leading up to?? LOL

[Caleb]

Would you have sacrifice my freedom for yours?  Another stripe of socialism?

Nope.  Once again, I said go if that's what you want to do.  Just don't delude yourself into thinking you're fighting for the cause of general liberty.

Again, I am committed to absolute liberty as best as I can get it.

Nope.  You're committed to yourself. 

Are you suggesting that I forgo that to attempt to get here when it is a sure thing elsewhere?

I'm suggesting that there are bigger and more important things than just you.  I'm suggesting that some things are worth fighting because they are evil, and because evil prevails when good men do nothing.  I'm suggesting that Liberty is something I want to give my children and grandchildren as an inheritance, more so than money.

The only "sure thing" is death and taxes.

Are you miserable and needing company?

Nope.  Not miserable at all.  I'm a generally happy person.  Just annoyed at you because every post you've posted here has been about YOU, and YOU ALONE.  You don't seem able to grasp the concept of fighting for liberty for others.

[CNHT]

You don't seem able to grasp the concept of fighting for liberty for others.

Liberty for all, everywhere, not just in NH... we are just the NH contingent!
Like I said, spread the wealth ? stay here and have a party!

Scott are you coming?

And if this person has been posting this nonsense because they are going to announce their internet dating service I hope our beloved forum nazi (Russell) deletes every post!

[CNHT]

I'll guess that she's in the financial services sector.

Well she better not be hawking her services here, under the guise of posting about liberty.

[CNHT]

Yes, I am.  I'm sorry...I thought I had RSVP'd, but then again... :icon_dance:

No problem. I am all set.....maybe it's me...yup oops! I had you down, don't know what possessed me! :-)

[aries]

And the reason most of us are here, is because we are proud patriots. We aren't going to scurry off to freeer lands, we want freedom HERE, not there.

Translation:

Freedom is really a big responsiblity...too big in fact so I will complain about not having it and strive to have it without actually achieving freedom so as to compensate for the fact that freedom is way too big of a sacrifice to my life and limb.

Its like these people calling themselves Christians in these buildings they call churches...all form but no substance...an affront to the gospel message.

going through the motions...

Chains resting easy?

You know I am going to attempt to run for NH house in 08. I want to be a part of the change. I don't want to go somewhere else. I like America. I like speaking English. I like knowing my past. I like singing the national anthem. I like the fact that I can own a gun.

There is a lot I don't like, and I want to change that.

I am a loyal customer of a local gas station. I know the owner. There is an Irving 1/4 of a mile further with lower prices by at least 3 cents all the time. I don't betray the owner, even if he can't lower his price. I want to support him and help draw business to him so that he can lower his prices as well.
(that was an analogy, even though it's true :p)

[CNHT]

I don't recall seeing any posts from her that seem to hawk services..

Not yet anyway...the lonely comment put up a red flag though...

[aries]

And to say you can have MORE liberty on some third world island is really misguided....watch out though, using that dirty word patriot! OMG how dare you?

The police do not murder or bully you there
The crime rate is quite low....real low
No taxes
extreme banking privacy


But it is third world which means it might not be comfortable for you.

Liberty yes
Comfort...as much as you can afford with the taxes you no longer have to pay

You sure you are not a statist?

Looks like one, sounds like one, smells like.....

NH: never been bullied by a cop
VERY low crime rate
no sales/income tax
my bank seems privately owned to me
it seems first world

I'm not a statist. I'm a libertarian living in a statist society.

[KBCraig]

I think that if I had sufficient wealth, I could have a good deal of liberty outside the US,

With sufficient wealth, you could have liberty anywhere, including inside the US. I wouldn't call it freedom if it has to be purchased. But with enough wealth, you can certainly buy a lot of liberties that are unavailable to everyone else.

The average U.S. retiree has enough money to buy that level of autonomy throughout Latin America. Well, perhaps "rent" is a better phrase, because the bill keeps coming due.

Kevin

[KBCraig]

Now I am convinced this is a troll and sorry I responded! 

Several newly active posters sound oddly similar, don't you think?

Kevin

[aworldnervelink]

Again, I am committed to absolute liberty as best as I can get it.  Are you suggesting that I forgo the benefit of actual liberty in another country to be had right now and instead move against the well entrenched and well finance and broadly supported collectivist empire called Amerika?

Cute how you edited this post just as I replied to it. Whether you use the phrase "sure thing" or "to be had right now", my point still stands - I've actually tried it and it's not as easy as you think it is. Have you visited some of these places you want to go to or is this all in the early planning stage?