Land rent ad infinitum, ad nauseum

[Kat Kanning]

 

[FrankChodorov]

Your forum at the DFCNH site still doen't have any post

not my site, not my forum...

[DC]

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Quote from: DC on March 08, 2006, 01:20:12 PM

Frank Chadorov, are you still in charge of the Democratic Freedom Caucus of New Hampshire? You have one post in your forum 51 weeks and 6 days ago and that was Varrin. None by you. 

yes.

someone else set the website up thinking they were going to get named chair but when I did nothing every became of it.

So he set up the whole site when he just thought he was going to be named chair and you were named chair and did nothing. That would be even a stronger case for you resigning and having him be named chair.

[FrankChodorov]

So he set up the whole site when he just thought he was going to be named chair

yes

you were named chair and did nothing.

why are you assuming I "did nothing"?

That would be even a stronger case for you resigning and having them be named chair.

the views of the DFC on natural opportunities afforded by nature are in alignment with Henry George and Benjamin Tucker - he didn't agree whereas I obviously do.

The national committee selected me...

[DC]

you were named chair and did nothing.

why are you assuming I "did nothing"?

Pissing off potential liberty allies in the DFCNH does count as doing " something " but I don't see anything else.

[FrankChodorov]

Pissing off potential liberty allies in the DFCNH

what "liberty allies" in the DFC are you referring to specifically?

inorder to join you have to subscribe to the principles of the DFC:

from the
B) Economic Liberty

    1) Property rights based on justice. There are two forms of property:

    a) human-made products, such as cars, houses, and machinery; and

    b) land, which refers to spatial locations, along with the natural resources within those locations. Each individual has the right to keep the rewards from his or her labor. However, since no person made the land, property in land needs to be treated somewhat differently from other types of property, to prevent over- concentrated ownership of land and natural resources.

    Taxes on income, sales, or buildings all take away the rewards of labor, so they are the most harmful kinds of taxes. The least harmful tax is a tax on land location value or on extraction of natural resources, because those are not products of labor, but are fixed resources.

[DC]

what "liberty allies" are you referring to specifically?

The one that made the site.

[FrankChodorov]

what "liberty allies" are you referring to specifically?

The one that made the site.

They didn't agree with a major principle of the organization regarding "economic liberty" (see referenced above and link below)...

I do.

http://www.progress.org/dfc/dfcpr.html

why would a national organization choose a person to lead that organization in a state when they didn't subscribe to a major principle over someone who has demonstrated that commitment for 20 years?

[DC]

Which part did they not agree with?

[FrankChodorov]

Which part did they not agree with?

B) Economic Liberty

    1) Property rights based on justice. There are two forms of property:

    a) human-made products, such as cars, houses, and machinery; and

    b) land, which refers to spatial locations, along with the natural resources within those locations. Each individual has the right to keep the rewards from his or her labor. However, since no person made the land, property in land needs to be treated somewhat differently from other types of property, to prevent over- concentrated ownership of land and natural resources.

    Taxes on income, sales, or buildings all take away the rewards of labor, so they are the most harmful kinds of taxes. The least harmful tax is a tax on land location value or on extraction of natural resources, because those are not products of labor, but are fixed resources.

[DC]

Can you be more specific about which spot they wouldn't agree too?

If you didn't piss the people off then they will let you take the site over since it is for the DFCNH. This can be used to promote the DFC principles. You can provide links that agree with these principles also like the national site does. Chat on the forum about these things and get Democrats on board . Saying the same things over and over in the New Hampshire Underground and FSP is just not an ineffecient use of your time and just pisses everyone off.

[FrankChodorov]

Can you be more specific about which spot they wouldn't agree too?

b) since no person made the land, property in land needs to be treated somewhat differently from other types of property (read: conditional)

If you didn't piss the people off then they will let you take the site over since it is for the DFCNH

I pissed the person off because I was selected over them...

[tracysaboe]

Dude is spot on.  You do not own the water--just the means to access it.  If I wanted to, I could move in next door to you and install a well that accesses the same aquifer.  Groundwater has no boundaries other than those determined by hydrology.  As a Goffstown resident, you may well be using MY water. 

I don't see how that's possible as I am not a Goffstown resident, and I am not using your well pump. The water might be from the same aquifer, but I would have no right to enter your property and take from the well by the means which you have installed to get it up out of the ground. Period!

Your example of the state and boat ramps is also inaccurate.

The 'dude' was inaccurate, not I.

It is a long-standing problem in NH, but the state is responsible for access to all bodies of water, because the water in NH is in a public trust.  In this fashion, I may not cross someone's posted land to go swimming, but if I am already in the water, then I'm not trespassing. 

The  Dude is WRONG about wells on private land such as mine which are owned outright. The town may NOT come onto my property and use MY pump to pump water out of MY well. Nor may they come onto my property and install their own pump to pump water out of the aquifer at the point where it passes under MY LAND because that is called 'trespassing'. They will have to reach the aquifer by some other means or they will be met with the butt of my over/under.

The 'dude' should move to a communist country where his ideas would be more acceptable.





By the way, the public trust idea is for general waterways, not private land...however, they are trying to expand this and wonder how they can get around private rights to do so...

http://www.csc.noaa.gov/cz/CZ05_Proceedings_CD/pdf%20files/TiccoPublic.pdf

I'm telling you, while the public sleeps the gov't is busy scheming on how to remove more of your rights, little by little.

If the government didn't lay claim to the water, there would be system's of aquafer property rights  that people could freely trade. The technology to define bounardies and measure/moniter aquifer usage is certainly out there.

Water rights as it relates to the aquafer would be completely privately owned in a free market. And those water rights would be tradeable.

Scottland has probably the most developed system of private property water rights in the world, although the U.S. used to untill the government started inventing stupid socialistic concepts like "Public goods" and what-not.

Tracy

[FrankChodorov]

the government didn't lay claim to the water

the government doesn't "lay claim to the water" they are the public trustee as the water is owned in common as an individual right.

the government's duty is to protect the common asset and insure no one's equal rights are infringed upon by anyone else.

Water rights as it relates to the aquafer would be completely privately owned in a free market

a solution searching for a problem...

untill the government started inventing stupid socialistic concepts like "Public goods"

common ownership of a natural is not a "public good"...a road or sewer is a "public good" which is collectively owned the opposite of ownership in common.

[FrankChodorov]

You can provide links that agree with these principles also like the national site does.

I set up yahoo group...

do you want to join?

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DFCNH/