Land rent ad infinitum, ad nauseum

[CNHT]

Bill it's all double-talk which in the end means the same. Why can't you just come out and say it.

You can't tell me you're for liberty and less gov't if you want Vt to be part of ANYTHING Canadian!

Killington wants to join NH in fact.

Statements like this: "Even in an anarchy (no government) the economic rent (a tax in kind but not in name) collected by the landowner violates the self-ownership rights of those being excluded." don't even make sense.

And I don't care what you show me, you are not going to co-opt the real issues in a pointless discussion of the Iraq war or open borders on OUR radio show.

Our focus is on the towns and cities and the taxation and corruption that goes on there in the name of the public good.

[FrankChodorov]

Why can't you just come out and say it

say what?

You can't tell me you're for liberty and less gov't if you want Vt to be part of ANYTHING Canadian!

yes, a new nation called "New Acadia" along with NH & Maine that will be about the size of Denmark but run more like Switzrland's canton system...

Killington wants to join NH in fact.

not gonna happen...but an autonomous city state as part of a "confederated shire republics" system in independent VT - maybe!

don't even make sense

well you obviously haven't been paying attention - I am suprised from a former school teacher.

I don't care what you show me

so in other words you were bluffing on "show me the law" and I called your bluff?

you are not going to co-opt the real issues in a pointless discussion of the Iraq war or open borders on OUR radio show

Dan B brought up Iraq on his show - not me...
I don't talk about open borders because I am more of a paleo-conservative like you but not of the paranoid variety unlike you.

why would anyone want to leave their homeland if they had equal freedom and opportunity there?

if they don't what is our responsibility in why they don't?

I am anti-globalization but for fair trade via true cost pricing which will ALWAYS make local production within a mutualist framework the better priced and quality product.

if I come on the show I will only talk about property taxes and the philosophical origins of property rights as it relates to EQUAL freedom...

do the two hosts know anything about property taxes and the philosophical foundations of property rights?

Our focus is on the towns and cities and the taxation and corruption that goes on there in the name of the public good.

oh good...it should be an interesting show then!

[Pat McCotter]

So if a community held their property for life and passed it to their children after they died the children would have to pay your rent?

do you mean parent?

No

Even if they have been living on the land and supporting their lives with the fruit of that land?

define "fruit" in the context you are using it...

No.

[FrankChodorov]

So if a community held their property for life and passed it to their children after they died the children would have to pay your rent?

do you mean parent?

No

Even if they have been living on the land and supporting their lives with the fruit of that land?

define "fruit" in the context you are using it...

No.

there is a real intelligent response...

[Lex]

In FrankChodorovs world nobody would pay taxes and thus never transfer title/sell their land. Stagnation, the true communist way!

[Pat McCotter]

So if a community held their property for life and passed it to their children after they died the children would have to pay your rent?

do you mean parent?

No

Even if they have been living on the land and supporting their lives with the fruit of that land?

define "fruit" in the context you are using it...

No.

there is a real intelligent response...

As intelligent as needed.

[tracysaboe]

It goes without saying that some things must be owned in common.  The Sun.  Air.  Water. 

But why would that interfere with the public's right to use things owned in common?   In other words, just because I don't OWN the sun doesn't mean that just anybody can sunbathe in my (hypothetical) front lawn.  If I own property, I have the right to apportion off a certain area for my own use.  The same logic would go with Air and Water.

Why can't you extend the same idea to land?

Caleb

You are correct. We can't just drag our lawnchairs over to your place because we have too much shade, and demand you let us tan...
but the UN is encroaching on our National Parks:

http://www.sovereignty.net/p/land/whtanalysis.htm

See the solution to that is get rid of our national parks. Put the in control of state or local governments (Or most highly preferable) private individuals. Action them off to the highest bidder.

Tracy

[Lex]

So, tracy, they don't teach spelling in college, huh? 

[FrankChodorov]

It goes without saying that some things must be owned in common.  The Sun.  Air.  Water. 

But why would that interfere with the public's right to use things owned in common?   In other words, just because I don't OWN the sun doesn't mean that just anybody can sunbathe in my (hypothetical) front lawn.  If I own property, I have the right to apportion off a certain area for my own use.  The same logic would go with Air and Water.

Why can't you extend the same idea to land?

Caleb

You are correct. We can't just drag our lawnchairs over to your place because we have too much shade, and demand you let us tan...
but the UN is encroaching on our National Parks:

http://www.sovereignty.net/p/land/whtanalysis.htm

See the solution to that is get rid of our national parks. Put the in control of state or local governments (Or most highly preferable) private individuals. Action them off to the highest bidder.

Tracy

these are assets that back our currency...

[BaRbArIaN]

Nothing backs our currency but false beliefs.  Therefore all Federal Reserve Notes should be classified as "religious literature", that religion being faith in the State and its ability to pillage and plunder from the productive.

[Tunga]

It goes without saying that some things must be owned in common.  The Sun.  Air.  Water. 

But why would that interfere with the public's right to use things owned in common?   In other words, just because I don't OWN the sun doesn't mean that just anybody can sunbathe in my (hypothetical) front lawn.  If I own property, I have the right to apportion off a certain area for my own use.  The same logic would go with Air and Water.

Why can't you extend the same idea to land?

Caleb

You are correct. We can't just drag our lawnchairs over to your place because we have too much shade, and demand you let us tan...
but the UN is encroaching on our National Parks:

http://www.sovereignty.net/p/land/whtanalysis.htm

See the solution to that is get rid of our national parks. Put the in control of state or local governments (Or most highly preferable) private individuals. Action them off to the highest bidder.

Tracy

Exxon/Mobil already has "Corporate retreat" locations in several of the National Parks. You don't need to go there. At all. Ever.

[FrankChodorov]

Nothing backs our currency but false beliefs.  Therefore all Federal Reserve Notes should be classified as "religious literature", that religion being faith in the State and its ability to pillage and plunder from the productive.

federal reserve notes are backed at 100% by non-redeemable assets as debt instruments which include at any time 5-15% of gold certificates?the other assets include US Treasury Notes, stocks in mortgage companies, bonds in municipal corporations, and all the land, buildings, and other infrastructure owned by the federal government?. the state and federal government own 40% of the land in this country - that is worth some $20 trillion.

just the public rights of way that make up the roads and rails in this country are valued at about $7.5 trillion, which is more than all the public debt in this country.

The federal and state governments could triple their debts and still be considered by financial experts to be financially stable.

[Tunga]

Nothing backs our currency but false beliefs.  Therefore all Federal Reserve Notes should be classified as "religious literature", that religion being faith in the State and its ability to pillage and plunder from the productive.

federal reserve notes are backed at 100% by non-redeemable assets as debt instruments which include at any time 5-15% of gold certificates?

Do you mean the counterfit gold certificates destroyed in the shootdown of TWA flight 800 or the ones destroyed they day they came due on 9-11?

[FrankChodorov]

Nothing backs our currency but false beliefs.  Therefore all Federal Reserve Notes should be classified as "religious literature", that religion being faith in the State and its ability to pillage and plunder from the productive.

federal reserve notes are backed at 100% by non-redeemable assets as debt instruments which include at any time 5-15% of gold certificates?

Do you mean the counterfit gold certificates destroyed in the shootdown of TWA flight 800 or the ones destroyed they day they came due on 9-11?

no - the ones being shuffled around by the black helicopters...

[tracysaboe]

So, tracy, they don't teach spelling in college, huh? 

Auction. Sorry.

Tracy