Land rent ad infinitum, ad nauseum

[CNHT]

Thank you--I didn't want to labor the point, but was quite certain that I had seen a Bedford reference in this thread...which apparently edited out... 

Ah let's see, I've been in Merrimack and Bow and Plainfield today....we are everywhere. :-)

I commute through Bedford daily and live within a mile of its hallowed borders.  I could not possibly care less about you or your legal whereabouts, how many guns you have and how much you are deluded about your well. 

It would seem that you and the Frank are the ones who are deluded about 'my' well.

Furthermore, being friendly with your little clique does not give you the right to admonish those who are not in it.  Nor does selectively being friendly make you a friendly person. 
Good luck with that.   

I am not sure what little clique you are talking about. I work for the taxpayer.  I am only telling you what any other resident of Bedford would tell you if threatened by the town or state with the taking or metering of their private wells. And I think I am a friendly person, but I will defend what I believe....

Bedford is the example I used since the Rep who tried to put forth this legislation was FROM Bedford, not because anyone lives there in particular.

[Lloyd Danforth]

I am a moderator of this forum and you guys have 'way' hijacked this topic.  If this continues it will result in 100 lashes with a wet noodle.

[CNHT]

I am a moderator of this forum and you guys have 'way' hijacked this topic.  If this continues it will result in 100 lashes with a wet noodle.

Ok Lloyd. Tell the 'boys' to stop pigpiling on me by telling me that I can have my well metered by the state or town when that ain't never gonna happen as long as I am here to stop it.

[FrankChodorov]

how would I be infringing on the rights of others when I am using my well that is on my property?

by taking too much of what is owned in common...

you're saying I can claim 'economic harm' against my neighbors because my water flow is so much less than theirs?

you make the claim and then offer proof...

demanding that my neighbors use less water from the wells on their own property

the demand is not to be economically harmed...

what if you couldn't just go drill another well?

if they already have the rights to my well, why was there an attempt to pass an eminent domain law to take private wells?

they [the state] don't have a right to the well...your neighbors have a right to not be economically disadvantaged by your taking more than what is fair.

Once again, my well is NOT a common asset  thanks to many people in the FSP.

once again, the water in your well SPECIFICALLY is...I am in the FSP.

we are not talking about the lake, we are talking about wells on private property!

the lake like the groundwater are common assets with the state as the public trustee.

the principles are exactly the same...equal access use, what are the sustainable yields, what determines infringement, what is a just use of force by the state.

The reason they wanted to be able to TAKE THE WELL was not because of infringement but for redistribution and management as they saw fit! I thought I made that clear?

the state has the legal right to "redistribute" by keeping you from access more than a fair share that would infringe on others...

the state has a legal right today to manage the common asset in such a way that it preserves it (that is the function of a tustee) for future generations by only allowing the sustainable yield to be used.

No one has been determined to be infringing upon anything.

I thought you have determined that your neighbors use has materially disadvantaged you...

And that [collective ownership] means.... ?

you want me to explain socialism to you so you are not confused with the fundamental concept of our nations fundamental principle...common rights via negative liberty?

using MORE water than me is NOT infringment of my rights

it is if you are materially harmed by someone else's use and can prove it...

My neighbors are not infringing, they are just lucky that their wells produce a lot of water, and in this case more than mine.

are you or are you not arguing that your neighbors use has affected your well's yield rate?

We are talking about the state wanting to own and control something that the homeowners have on their private property that they have paid for...

the state doesn't collectively own the water...
the state has no right to private property via eminent domain (a well dug with someone else's money)...

the state can only control (limit) the amount of water from the common asset someone can use if it is scientifically determined that it protects the individual equal access rights of of someone else.

now you're advocating that the state control my well with METERING?

how else are other indivdual rights going to be protected if you can not control the amount of ground water flowing into your well pipe but what comes out at the wellhead?

seem to be worse than that of a socialist! 

how many times are you NOT going to use the term socialist/collectivist properly?

I am beginning to wonder if you are deliberately doing it to try and FALSELY and UNFAIRLY associate me with those fundamentally FLAWED concepts.

[CNHT]

Ok here is the situation:

My neighbors are getting more water than they need, and I am getting less and less. Thus, I am going to have to drill another well.

They are lucky to be in a better place above the aquifer apparently. When I purchased my land, I could have dug the well first and then not bought it if I did not like the water flow.

I doubt that the town or state, even if I were to be so bold as to file a claim for economic damage or whatever, would not laugh in my face!

Also, in order to control the flow of my water or anyone's water, even if all you are saying is they own the rights to the water, they would need to control my well pump, which has been paid for by ME.

And all I am saying is, THAT AIN'T GONNA happen as long as there is a breath in this body... PERIOD.

And I also can't see ANYONE on this board saying they agree with you, crying wahhhh to the state for remedying this either. If so, speak up and let us know who you are!

[CNHT]

I am beginning to wonder if you are deliberately doing it to try and FALSELY and UNFAIRLY associate me with those fundamentally FLAWED concepts.

I don't think I have to ... you are doing it to yourself.

[FrankChodorov]

Ok here is the situation:

My neighbors are getting more water than they need, and I am getting less and less. Thus, I am going to have to drill another well.

They are lucky to be in a better place above the aquifer apparently. When I purchased my land, I could have dug the well first and then not bought it if I did not like the water flow.

I doubt that the town or state, even if I were to be so bold as to file a claim for economic damage or whatever, would not laugh in my face!

Also, in order to control the flow of my water or anyone's water, even if all you are saying is they own the rights to the water, they would need to control my well pump, which has been paid for by ME.

And all I am saying is, THAT AIN'T GONNA happen as long as there is a breath in this body... PERIOD.

you don't own the water privately you only own the well privately.

you only have an individual equal access right claim to the water.

if it is determined that your equal access rights are being infringed upon by the unfair use of others that economically disadvantages you (if you attempt to drill a number of different wells that are all dry your property value just got croaked) how would you specifically recommend adjudication if not by control the use by others in some way?

[FrankChodorov]

I am beginning to wonder if you are deliberately doing it to try and FALSELY and UNFAIRLY associate me with those fundamentally FLAWED concepts.

I don't think I have to ... you are doing it to yourself.

how exactly?

be specific please...

[KBCraig]

They'd have to tangle with the butt of my Ruger first.

You're going to hit them?

Or maybe Jane needs to learn her butt from her muzzle. Or muzzle her butt. Or something. 

Kevin

[Caleb]

I am a moderator of this forum and you guys have 'way' hijacked this topic.

Thank you, Lloyd.  This discussion was interesting and all, but it really doesn't even begin to answer my original question.  My question was about the mechanics of building on "unbuildable land" -- not a question on the philosophy of land ownership.

Caleb

[Russell Kanning]

It is amazing the energy some people can put into threads.
I don't even think Jane and the boys are having the same conversation.

Depending on your own plans, it might be a good idea to choose a place that is considered unbuildable by either other people (because you won't need the same services) or the government (because you are not planning on living by their rules).

[CNHT]

It is amazing the energy some people can put into threads.
I don't even think Jane and the boys are having the same conversation.

Only because I think he's a troll and I probably should not feed.
I have never heard of a homeowner being 'metered' by the state.

[Russell Kanning]

Oh no I am being sucked in........

[CNHT]

Oh no I am being sucked in........

No not to worry. I should have known that guy was a troll! Mea culpa! No more shall be said about it.  :-)

[CNHT]

They'd have to tangle with the butt of my Ruger first.

You're going to hit them?

Or maybe Jane needs to learn her butt from her muzzle. Or muzzle her butt. Or something. 

Kevin

Yes Kevin I am going to nudge them gently in a certain direction.