Land rent ad infinitum, ad nauseum

[Caleb]

I don't think he's a troll, I think he's a Georgist.  I don't think he's intentionally provoking anyone just to get a rise.

[CNHT]

I don't think he's a troll, I think he's a Georgist.  I don't think he's intentionally provoking anyone just to get a rise.

Don't use flowery euphemisms to describe a socialist troll. Because that is what he is.

[Russell Kanning]

If I fall into a well, do I become collective property or held in common ..... or am I just all wet?

[Caleb]

If I fall into a well, do I become collective property or held in common ..... or am I just all wet?

Yes! 

[FrankChodorov]

I have never heard of a homeowner being 'metered' by the state.

I am not saying the state is metering people now...

I am saying, based on the fact water is owned in common in NH, that if an infringement is proved to be occurring and you can't control the flow of water into the well the only logical approach is to control the flow out of the well by metering...the amount taken off the common asset over and above what is fair will be paid for and the money collected will be divided equally amongst those being economically harmed by the withdrawl.

how else can this be accomplished?

[FrankChodorov]

I don't think he's a troll, I think he's a Georgist.  I don't think he's intentionally provoking anyone just to get a rise.

Don't use flowery euphemisms to describe a socialist troll. Because that is what he is.

a socialist is generally one who advocates the collective (state) ownership of the means of production (land, labor, capital)

where exactly have I argued for the state ownership of anything?

[Lloyd Danforth]

If I fall into a well, do I become collective property or held in common ..... or am I just all wet?

Don't know and yes.

Caleb, I could make this all go away, but, you could just start a new thread and we can get back to the subject of how to use oddball pieces of land and maybee get some suggestions from people with technical knowledge.

[CNHT]

If I fall into a well, do I become collective property or held in common ..... or am I just all wet?

Don't know and yes.

Caleb, I could make this all go away, but, you could just start a new thread and we can get back to the subject of how to use oddball pieces of land and maybee get some suggestions from people with technical knowledge.

Please do that Lloyd. I don't have time to be defending my well from others who think its OK for the state to put a meter on it!

[CNHT]

The final word on this for those of you who were unnerved at the idea that a supposed FSPer could insist the state was allowed to meter our private wells is:

NOT LEGAL

This was brought up and discussed at the CNHT meeting in depth and there is no legal way the state can meter your private well on your property or restrict what you can do with it other than using it for catastrophic purposes. As I said, if you are in a advantageous spot, moreso than your neighbor's, it's their tough luck and they have the right to drill two wells if they wish, which is what I am going to have to do sooner rather than later.

[FrankChodorov]

The final word on this for those of you who were unnerved at the idea that a supposed FSPer could insist the state was allowed to meter our private wells is:

NOT LEGAL

This was brought up and discussed at the CNHT meeting in depth and there is no legal way the state can meter your private well on your property or restrict what you can do with it other than using it for catastrophic purposes. As I said, if you are in a advantageous spot, moreso than your neighbor's, it's their tough luck and they have the right to drill two wells if they wish, which is what I am going to have to do sooner rather than later.

I said all the groundwater in NH is owned in common with the state acting as the public trustee...

do you deny this fact?

any resident of the state of NH is free to access that common asset so long as they do not infringe on the equal access right of anyone else and the state as the public trustee has a right and a duty to protect those individual rights from infringement, as well as, the health of the overall common asset itself - that is what a trustee is charged with doing.

in the case of individual wells - when and if the state determines that the use of the common asset is exceeding the sustainable yield of the common asset and thus those who access are economically harming those who are being excluded (infringement of an individual right held in common) then thay will be required to act.

if they can not physically prevent water from flowing into your well pipe within the aquifer they will be required to meter the extraction at the wellhead.

the individual owners will then be presented with a bill that represents the amount of economic harm being done to those being excluded from the sustainable yield and the money collected (called economic rent) will be fully rebated on a per capita basis to all residents of the state of NH to achieve equal liberty based on simple justice.

[CNHT]

if they can not physically prevent water from flowing into your well pipe within the aquifer they will be required to meter the extraction at the wellhead.

Show me ONE case where this has ever been done to a resident homeowner (not a factory or something)!!!
It has never been.

[FrankChodorov]

if they can not physically prevent water from flowing into your well pipe within the aquifer they will be required to meter the extraction at the wellhead.

Show me ONE case where this has ever been done to a resident homeowner (not a factory or something)!!!
It has never been.

because it has not yet been determined that the sustainable yield of the common asset has been reached and therefore that individual use is infringing on those being excluded.

[CNHT]

if they can not physically prevent water from flowing into your well pipe within the aquifer they will be required to meter the extraction at the wellhead.

Show me ONE case where this has ever been done to a resident homeowner (not a factory or something)!!!
It has never been.

because it has not yet been determined that the sustainable yield of the common asset has been reached and therefore that individual use is infringing on those being excluded.

D'uh!!!!!!! What kind of an answer is THAT?? I want predecent, sir, PRECEDENT. You have none.

[FrankChodorov]

What kind of an answer is THAT

an appropriate one based on the philosophy of individual ownership rights held in common.

again, you do not deny that all surface water over 20 acres and all groundwater is owned in common with the state as the public trustee - do you?

[CNHT]

What kind of an answer is THAT

an appropriate one based on the philosophy of individual ownership rights held in common.

again, you do not deny that all surface water over 20 acres and all groundwater is owned in common with the state as the public trustee - do you?

While it's true that no one person can 'own' the water supply, MY WELL is private. value added by ME,  and thus the fruits of which are not subject to REDISTRIBUTION.
If I plant a tree on my property, I don't have to  give the state my apples!