Real ID, HB 1582

[Dreepa]

Welcome.

Also a passport(today anyway) is $55. Say $8 for the pictures and that is $63 per person.  I guess this Senator is not so good with math.

[d_goddard]

Hi, first post from an angry long-time lurker.

Howdy, Stuy!

I don't know if anyone testified about this, but aside from the state constitution, REAL ID also violates these NH laws:
http://www.gencourt.state.nh.us/rsa/html/XXI/260/260-10-b.htm
http://www.gencourt.state.nh.us/rsa/html/XXI/263/263-40-a.htm

Yep.
This was covered in depth by the testimony given by Sen. Estabrook, and touched on by testimony by various other private individuals who testified.

Edit: It was Sen. Estabrook, not Fuller-Clark, that testified. My bad!

[JonM]

If you're a AAA Gold member, they give you free passport photos.  They charge a $12 security fee to fund the electronic passport.  If you are getting one for the first time, it's $30 for an in-person fee.  To renew, $67 with the security fee.

I just renewed mine.  I sent it to PA, it came back from Portsmouth, NH.  Non-electronic till 2016!

I don't see why anyone under 16 needs a state issued ID for anything.

[Dreepa]

Welcome.

Also a passport(today anyway) is $55. Say $8 for the pictures and that is $63 per person.  I guess this Senator is not so good with math.

I stand corrected.  They have imposed all sorts of bullshit fees since I got my renewed last year:
http://travel.state.gov/passport/get/fees/fees_837.html

$97 over 16
$82 under 16.

Also

If you do not provide your Social Security Number, the Internal Revenue Service may impose a $500 penalty. If you have any questions please call your nearest IRS office.

why the fuck do they need the SSN.. passports should have nothing to do with the IRS.

[Stuy Gryphon]

I don't know if anyone testified about this, but aside from the state constitution, REAL ID also violates these NH laws:
http://www.gencourt.state.nh.us/rsa/html/XXI/260/260-10-b.htm
http://www.gencourt.state.nh.us/rsa/html/XXI/263/263-40-a.htm

Yep.
This was covered in depth by the testimony given by Sen. Fuller-Clark, and touched on by testimony by various other private individuals who testified.

That's good to know. I hope it made a difference to those senators preoccupied with the $3 million federal grant and the "inconvenience" to residents.

I don't see why anyone under 16 needs a state issued ID for anything.

I agree. Correct me if I'm wrong, but the REAL ID Act won't require minors to have ID in order to board planes. So I don't see why (as Senator Barnes insinuates) kids would need a passport to fly domestically if NH opts out of REAL ID. Maybe he thinks there are lots of families taking their adult children to Disney World. Whatever he was trying to claim, it's a poor excuse for going along with the destruction of privacy.

[aries]

So the vote was today, right? How did the committee vote?

[d_goddard]

REAL ID Act won't require minors to have ID in order to board planes.

This was also discussed in the hearing.
You don't need to provide any ID to board a plane, even now (nor under REAL-ID).
You do, however, need to agree to a "secondary search" if you have no ID.

[Stuy Gryphon]

Welcome, and stay angry!

Thanks. There's plenty to keep me that way.

You do, however, need to agree to a "secondary search" if you have no ID.

Even kids with no ID? This is all such a monumental mess.

[Russell Kanning]

So if the feds clamp down on NH residents the appropriate action is to give in to them?
I don't like to negotiate with the terrorists or tyrants.

[d_goddard]

So if the feds clamp down on NH residents the appropriate action is to give in to them?
I don't like to negotiate with the terrorists or tyrants.

Funny you mention it. That sentiment was expressed by Sen. Burling at the hearing
I gotta get a copy of the audo record -- they record on cassette tapes -- and see about making an MP3 for Web consumption (they do record hearings, but don't publish them on the Web)

[aries]

Here's an interesting article on RealID from the Caledonian Record. Posting it in this thread since it's become the definitive RealID thread:

http://www.caledonianrecord.com/pages/local_news/story/8e971fe52

The implementation is expected to cost $2 million in the Vermont DMV alone, not counting the cost to put vital records like birth certificates going back to the 1930s on a secure database that can be shared by states and the federal government. Add more millions for that.

State officials say motorists, town clerks, doctors, funeral directors and genealogists will be affected, among others.

State laws will probably have to change, and maybe even the Vermont Constitution, says Richard McCoy, public health statistics chief with the health department and the point man for upgrading records to meet coming federal rules.

That's some good ammo to use against RealID, and for this bill too. Excellent ammo, in fact. I'd say, armor piercing.

[Dreepa]

Except that NH is a 'testing' state and the Fed are using $3M as a honey pot to sucker NH in.

[aries]

Except that NH is a 'testing' state and the Fed are using $3M as a honey pot to sucker NH in.

Well I think we're going to be the first state to flip the bird at the federal government and their retarded, unethical, unconstitutional laws that are unfounded mandates. The RealID system isn't even planned out well at all. They just hoisted all the implementation on the states, and all the planning on the executive branch.

[TackleTheWorld]

Well I think we're going to be the first state to flip the bird at the federal government and their retarded, unethical, unconstitutional laws that are unfounded mandates.

[citizen_142002]

I think that if we want this vote to go well, another round of letter writing and phone calls is imperative. I know that I've written a few senators about this issue.
We probably need to spread the word to other NH residents and ask them to do the same. It really could make a difference. Remember how close the smoking ban vote was in the senate?