Real ID, HB 1582

[Pat McCotter]

Been a while since I visited these folks but the British protests against their own national ID is still going strong:

http://www.no2id.net/

[aries]

There's a reason America isn't a true democracy.  Bread and Circuses.

No, we are a democratic republic. In theory, you get to elect people who will vote how you ask them to. In reality, you get to elect authoritarians, or vote for a third party with slim chances.
Sometimes, rarely, but sometimes, a rep actually votes against his ideals and obeys his constituents. These times make me happy.

[Pat K]

If we don't pass this NH will be a "haven for terrorists" is this guy for real real? Damn what a Jackass.

[Pat McCotter]

There's a reason America isn't a true democracy.  Bread and Circuses.

No, we are a democratic republic. In theory, you get to elect people who will vote how you ask them to. In reality, you get to elect authoritarians, or vote for a third party with slim chances.
Sometimes, rarely, but sometimes, a rep actually votes against his ideals and obeys his constituents. These times make me happy.

'bread and circuses'
 
PLURAL NOUN: Offerings, such as benefits or entertainments, intended to placate discontent or distract attention from a policy or situation.

[aries]

Gatsas does have a nice new Mercedes. And with those distinctive plates that say "President."

You could pick those out anywhere. Especially in Manchester, the city by whose people he was elected.

Maybe a nice flower with a "Thanks for all the hard work" or "Appreciate the representation" card tied to it is in order, just left under his windshield wiper.

[aries]

There's a reason America isn't a true democracy.  Bread and Circuses.

No, we are a democratic republic. In theory, you get to elect people who will vote how you ask them to. In reality, you get to elect authoritarians, or vote for a third party with slim chances.
Sometimes, rarely, but sometimes, a rep actually votes against his ideals and obeys his constituents. These times make me happy.

'bread and circuses'
 
PLURAL NOUN: Offerings, such as benefits or entertainments, intended to placate discontent or distract attention from a policy or situation.

Oh

thanks 

[aries]

Got another "will do" reply

All the senators that are planning on saying no are hiding behind this "I didn't hear my blackberry beep just now" facade.

Or maybe since DownsizeDC and the ACLU have both given their folks encouragement to support us on this, they are simply inundated with mail and calls.

[NC2NH]

Got another "will do" reply

Thanks for braving the rain to take a stand today, Matt. Good job on the email to the senators.

How about a tally of senators who've stated, post-committee vote, that they'll vote yes in the full senate?

Andre Martel, Peter Burling...

[aries]

Thanks for braving the rain to take a stand today, Matt. Good job on the email to the senators.

I really enjoyed it  I felt like I was actually DOING something about something for once. It's rare that I feel like I'm really being productive. I work, do school work and such, but this really felt good, being able to do this in public, talking to some people about Real ID that weren't aware of 1582...

[tracysaboe]

Ought to be Unicameral

no, No, No, NO!
NH is beautiful partially because of how tough it is to get anything passed here.
There are so many ways to kill bad legislation!
Yes, it makes "good" bills hard to pass, but that's a headache I'd prefer to the machinery of government running too efficiently, any time.
Indeed, "educated, progressive" folks from Mass. and Vermont and Maine often complain that New Hampshire is so "backwards" (meaning we don't tax people enough) precisely because it's so hard to pass laws here. All I can say to them is, Amen, brother!

What if it was a 1000 member unicameral, and bills could die in committee?
What if we just had true democracy? The infrastructure is easily possible. If it was "whoever cares enough to come down to the capitol and cast their vote, gets a vote on this bill" I think we'd see more good bills pass. I only fear things like the smoking ban might get through. I guess with a system like that you'd need a much more specific and detailed constitution. I'll save this for a different thread in a different forum. I just like imagining what government could be better.

Personally, I just think we need more mechanisms for forcing bills. The more direct representation/democracy, the better. If the senate didn't like a bill, say, the counties could vote to push it through, or towns, or people, by petition or otherwise.

You don't want more democracy. Democracy is evil.  Democracy is inherently socialist as everybody's clamering to use government to steal from everybody else.

No, you don't want more Democracy. It should be more of a Republic. The Senators should be ellected by counties or cities instead of direct ellections. It'd probably be less corrupt if it knew it could get impeached by the local jurisdiction it's representing at anytime, instead of being ellected by the population at large.

TRacy

[aries]

I like what Jefferson said, about wanting to see hundreds of tiny independent wards, confederated for their own defense and mutual aid but nothing more. That democracy in such a small population was ideal, and worked well.

What if a 2/3, 3/4 or 4/5 vote was required to pass a law democratically? And naturally, there would need to be a constitution to limit the power of the people to screw themselves over. I like 96% consent for constitutional amendments.

[Dreepa]

I just sent my last round of emails off to the Senators.
Hope they help.

[dawn]

Although it was frustrating that the bill was not heard today, it's not too surprising. I didn't realize until this morning when I went up to the 3rd floor to pick up the senate calendars that there were 4 calendars pertaining to 5/3 and 5/4. Calendar 16 was published on 4/20. Then 17 on 4/27. I don't remember the dates on 17a and 17b. But I can see why 16 would come before 17 (but not 17a before 17b). And the order is up to the whim of the president. So, it will be interesting to see how he handles it tomorrow. Will he do it first to get rid of all those real ID opponents in the gallery? Or drag it out until the end to make all those anti-real IDers suffer??

Roger - I can't believe one of the fellows let you take his picture. I wonder if he knows it's posted here?

[traveler]

I was there.The rally,commitee vote and yesterdays supposed vote.I will be there again today.I know that we are supposed to be sweet and kiss the asses of our employees(read senators),but it is extremely hard not to show the utter comtempt that I feel towards these people who begged to get the jobs that they refuse to do.And that Gatsas character makes me want to puke with his candy bars and hockey team awards.Bloated windbag knows that we citizens cant take off work every day.But,I will be there again this morning holding a sign and begging to have my inalienable rights protected by the people who were elected and swore to do so.Had a guy stop yesterday and ask what the bill was about.After I explained it to him,he said this is like the new world order stuff isnt it?He walked off looking terrified.So,the average person isnt as dumb as the politicans would like to think.The average person is merely uninformed.Regardless of the outcome of this bill,I will not be complying with any federal mandate for national ID(or anything else).No matter how safe it makes us from the terrorists

maybe this should be moved to endless rant section

[aries]

Traveler - I'm glad you're going to go today!

If several people can get into the gallery that are against RealID (maybe he'll look for those badges), he's going to be nervous about the vote. If you can, notice for me how Gallus votes, if it's a voice vote. He's voted with me on a lot of things, like the smoking ban, gun laws and some big spending bills. This is the issue for me, though.

This is him, senator #1: