• Welcome to New Hampshire Underground.
 

News:

Please log in on the special "login" page, not on any of these normal pages. Thank you, The Procrastinating Management

"Let them march all they want, as long as they pay their taxes."  --Alexander Haig

Main Menu

Real ID, HB 1582

Started by Dave Ridley, March 24, 2006, 03:05 AM NHFT

Previous topic - Next topic

Tom Sawyer

Quote from: aries on May 13, 2006, 07:00 AM NHFT
Quote from: DadaOrwell on May 13, 2006, 05:12 AM NHFT
Seems like the state government is going pretty deep into gridlock mode this year just like Jason Sorens predicted it would. 
Because our House realizes its place, for the most part, and our senate fancies itself a bunch of big time politicians with a major influence on things. They are as corrupted by power as our national representative and senators are, even though they haven't got nearly as much power.

House of Commons to the Senate's House of Lords; driving their new Mercedes and having enough money and time to work for nothing.

Elizbeth said her impression was Gatsas is like the "Dapper Don"... I agree, he has enough vanity for two men. ;D

jgmaynard

The exec council has the ability to CANCEL any program with a budget over $5000. That means that they can still kill this thing. I'm going to write a letter to Pignatelli (sp?) in the next day or two.
Gotta use those old colonial laws for somethin'!  ;D

JM



Ruger Mason

#1022
Quote from: aries on May 13, 2006, 07:00 AM NHFT
Quote from: DadaOrwell on May 13, 2006, 05:12 AM NHFT
Seems like the state government is going pretty deep into gridlock mode this year just like Jason Sorens predicted it would. 
Because our House realizes its place, for the most part, and our senate fancies itself a bunch of big time politicians with a major influence on things. They are as corrupted by power as our national representative and senators are, even though they haven't got nearly as much power.

That's precisely the intent of the design of the House and Senate.  The Senate is basically the "House of Lords" -- intended to resemble the aristocracy and to represent the interests of the elite.  The House is the "House of Commons", closer to the people, but more likely to be swayed by the rabble.  The two perform important checks on one another, even if it is imperfect.

Let's remember that is was the House that passed the smoking ban, and the Senate that stopped it.  This happened not because of the debate about liberty, but because of pragmatism.  The House was following the "will of the people" as they perceived it.  The Senate was following the "will of the elite" as they perceived it.  Liberty won in that case.

I have not yet seen the role of regulatory agencies discussed much here.  Much of the problem with Real ID exists because regulatory agencies like the NH DMV and the Federal DHS operate are essentially miniature legislatures, unelected bureaucrats creating laws with minimum accountability.  Because of this, Real ID can take effect in New Hampshire without the consent of the General Court, and Real ID requirements can be added by Homeland Security without the consent of Congress.

aries

Quote from: Ruger Mason on May 13, 2006, 07:01 PM NHFT
I have not yet seen the role of regulatory agencies discussed much here.  Much of the problem with Real ID exists because regulatory agencies like the NH DMV and the Federal DHS operate are essentially miniature legislatures, unelected bureaucrats creating laws with minimum accountability.  Because of this, Real ID can take effect in New Hampshire without the consent of the General Court, and Real ID requirements can be added by Homeland Security without the consent of Congress.

NH needs a "no outsourcing power" law.

John


aries

My dad pointed that LTE out to me today. Amazing that even he, a staunch pro-war, pro-Bush ex-cop conservative has come around and agrees that Real ID should be stopped in NH.

Stopped or not, I'm rejecting it.

Dave Ridley

thanks for posting that editorial john.   I will write an LTE response to it probably and post it to the LTE thread.

Dave Ridley

posted this to the calendar and directed respondants here:
   
Exec Councilor meeting June 7, june 21 (calendar entry)
? on: Today at 09:49:49 PM ?
   
Here is the schedule for exec. councilor meetings between now and july:

http://admin.state.nh.us/comm/index2.asp

As Jim mentioned they can apparently refuse to accept the fed grant money for Real ID, so maybe their meetings will be important. Is there something we can do in relation to their meetings?  I've already e-mailed my councilor and the Governor.

d_goddard

Irena (my better half) took my vitriolic rant, toned it down, and gave it her spin as a member of the RLCNH:
http://www.cmonitor.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20060516/REPOSITORY/605160338/1029/OPINION03

She has also set "what do we do about these deceitful Senators?" as an agenda item for the next Concord Women Republicans' meeting :)

Tom Sawyer

Very nicely done. 8)

How do I give karma to Irena...

I'll give it to you. :)

Tom Sawyer

#1030

Graphic Removed

Lack of interest.


Tom Sawyer

#1032
Need one of you wordsmiths to give me text to fill in the space.

I'll provide a print resolution file for the underground, and/or I can print on my high quality ink jet.

Every towns DMV issueing points could use this info along with other printed info from granitestateid or whoever.

Feedback requested. :)

EDIT:
Graphic Removed

Lack of interest

Dave Ridley

we need some new action items to keep the pressure on... anyone have any thoughts what we should be doing and when and where?   if so,  put it on the calendar!

aries

#1034
Quote from: Roger Grant on May 16, 2006, 12:43 PM NHFT
:evil6:


I see Gallus, what gives, he voted for 1582 and aganinst the amendment... ?

He is, arguable, the MOST libertarian senator of all... Supported legalizing drugs, 1582, casino gambling... opposed raising the dropout age, smoking ban...