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Real ID, HB 1582

Started by Dave Ridley, March 24, 2006, 03:05 AM NHFT

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Rocketman

Wow... getting yelled at by Clegg sounds kinda fun.   Kurk looks better and better every time they attack him.  ;D

d_goddard

Quote from: Dreepa on May 19, 2006, 03:15 PM NHFT
Clegg said he had the perfect way to get back at Kurk, who is so private he does not even provide his picture for the legislative handbook. "We're going to get a billboard and put his face on it to find out what it is he wants to hide from," Clegg said, launching into a fiery monologue. "If somebody dies (in a pandemic), Neal Kurk can sit there and decide whether or not he's got a conscience."
...
"I can keep going if you really want me to beat him up," Clegg said.

Quote from: Rocketman on May 19, 2006, 03:22 PM NHFT
Wow... getting yelled at by Clegg sounds kinda fun.   Kurk looks better and better every time they attack him.  ;D

Yep.
Perfect example of how negative campaigning backfires.
Clegg is digging his own hole.

Like my Dad says... "Never give your enemies a club to beat you over the head with!"

president

"Never interrupt your enemy when he is making a mistake."  -Napoleon Bonaparte

Tunga

Quote from: Dreepa on May 19, 2006, 03:15 PM NHFT


"He's like a gasoline fire, so don't keep his blaze perpetuating," Gatsas said.



Tunga was taught in 11th grade science class at Concord High School that a gallon of gasoline equals 14 sticks of dynamite.

Which means that when Senator Clegg fills his properly licenced, registered and inspected motor vehicle up with gas he is carrying around at least the explosive equivilant of 168 sticks of TNT.
That and the wit nessessary to strike a match makes him  a potential terrorist in any neighborhood he cares to drive through.

Only the UN can save us now. ::)


aries

Quote from: dead president on May 19, 2006, 04:27 PM NHFT
"Never interrupt your enemy when he is making a mistake."  -Napoleon Bonaparte
Good one

FTL_Ian

Quote from: dead president on May 19, 2006, 04:27 PM NHFT
"Never interrupt your enemy when he is making a mistake."  -Napoleon Bonaparte

<Applauds>

Rocketman

Just got this note from Councilor Burton.  A good sign, and a good sign that emailing these folks is worth our time and effort!


Matt---
I too am troubled by this entire matter.
If this comes to Gov/'Council for a vote, I'll be looking VERY carefully at this. as of now I'm leaning toward a NO vote!
Keep in touch---
Ray Burton

Rocketman

So, Pignatelli + Spaulding + Burton = three, right?

My math skills aren't so good, but this gives me reason for optimism.  The fight against Real ID must go on!

Russell Kanning

Why can't he say "no" now?

Captain Blue

Dear Councillor Wieczorek:

In his first inaugural address, President Ronald Reagan reminded us that "Government is not the solution to our problems; government is the problem."  Washington's recent Real ID mandate is typical of the government "solutions" that Reagan was warning us against: it's expensive, it's intrusive, and even its proponents don't understand how it's supposed to work.  Unfortunately, the New Hampshire senate voted earlier this month to gut HB1582, which would have kept New Hampshire out of Real ID.

As a member of the Executive Council, you now represent New Hampshire's last line of defense against the bureaucratic boondoggle that is Real ID.  I urge you to vote against the acceptance of the three-million-dollar bribe that the federal government is offering us to serve as guinea pigs for this latest exercise in central planning.  New Hampshire taxpayers shouldn't have to bear the cost, in either dollars or liberty, of Washington's latest attempt to look tough on terrorism by numbering and tracking innocent American citizens.

Please, Councillor Wieczorek, take this unique opportunity to keep New Hampshire free.  Refuse Washington's three-million-dollar Real ID bribe, and refuse to authorize the expenditure of even a single penny of Granite Staters' money in aid of the Real ID program.  Let's show those who view New Hampshire as fertile ground for the growth of a surveillance state that "Live Free or Die" still means something to us up here.


Very best regards,

Chandler B Gabel

Caleb

Here's a copy of the letter I sent to each of the five councilors

-----------------------------------------------------------

Dear Ms. Pignatelli

I understand that the Executive Council is facing an
upcoming vote on whether to accept the $3 Million
Dollars from the Federal Government for the purposes
of implementing the Real ID.  I am writing you to
request that you vote "NO" to accepting the money.

As you are aware, the NH House overwhelmingly voted in
favor of HB1582, which would have assured that New
Hampshire did not participate in this system. 

The Senate voted to amend it by sending it to a study
committee (and then eventually killing the committee.)
This effectively killed HB1582.  I found the
reasoning of Senator Barnes to be shocking:  He said
that he believed that he trusted the federal
government to restore our freedoms when the war on
terror is over.

However, most here in the Granite State do not share
his faith in the federal government.  Most feel that
the federal government has gone too far, and frankly
feel that our precious liberties are at stake.
Several points are worthy of consideration:

1)  Dick Cheney said, regarding the war on terror:
"The answer is that many of these changes we've made
are permanent, at least in the lifetime of most of us.
Vigilance against the new threat is not just a
temporary precaution, it's a responsibility we all
share."  I, for one, cannot accept that in my
lifetime, I must accept erosion of our liberties.  If
we allow the terrorists to do this to us, they have
already won.

2)  Many New Hampshire citizens are already preparing
for worst case scenarios (if NH accepts the Real ID),
and a large number of people will be surrendering
their driver's licenses.  This will make for some
poignant controversy down the line, and inevitable
court battles, especially among those who give up
their Real ID for religious reasons.  After all,
certain strands of Christianity view a universal
idenification card as the "mark of the beast."  Are
the court battles really worth it?  Do we really want
to make criminals of our Patriots?

3)  Is NH's system really broken?  I, for one, cannot
believe that it is.  Why spend ten million dollars
(the federal government will only give us three
million of that to implement the system) to fix a
system that isn't broken?

For the record, I am one who will give up my driver's
license if NH insists on doing this. 

I appreciate that you have committed to investigating
this issue thoroughly and doing the right thing for
the citizens of New Hampshire.  May God bless you,

Caleb Johnson

Tom Sawyer

Cool  8)
Glad to see our folks not letting this drop...
(Hey Caleb, the Democrats are starting to appeal to me... OMG)

Been working through the video. Good therapy. ;D Although it is a real challenge... tell the story in a concise way.

This screen capture is from right are the shafting vote.
Looking forward to being able to say "Hey Ted... How ya like me now!"

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Rocketman

Excellent letters, Captain and Caleb!  Very persuasive stuff, I think.

tracysaboe

Actually, if this is true. Can't Lynch Veto the spending bill himself?

Should we be writing lynch? He had promised to pass 1582 if it made it to him.

Tracy

aries

Quote from: tracysaboe on May 20, 2006, 05:28 PM NHFT
Actually, if this is true. Can't Lynch Veto the spending bill himself?

Should we be writing lynch? He had promised to pass 1582 if it made it to him.

Tracy

He's a bit of a softie go-with-the-flow fellow, I wouldn't expect him to take radical action, but it's worth a shot.