Real ID, HB 1582

[aries]

4 out of 5 agreeing with us delays the program until the Feds do more arm-twisting, or offer us more money.

We're not safe until a bill is passed with language not too different from the original HB1582.

It's an election year. Get out the Libertarian vote, and make sure your ultraconservative friends stay home that day, and we'll have better chances the next time around.

We're sure to have more FSPers in The General Court (I've entered my name... although there are a bunch of problems with that right now, namely me not being listed), mostly in the house, but that's a good thing.

[aries]

Note that the TSA agent in charge accepted Jim's excuse of "I
mailed my driver's license home"... Perhaps in the future, the reason
"I live in New Hampshire" will also be sufficent to speed thru lines
with a quicker secondary search instead.

I wonder if "I live in South Dakota" worked in response to a demand for a driver's license before 1953? (SD was the last state to require DLs.)

Kevin

I can only assume that state laws would determine if an out-of-stater would be allowed to drive in that state on their state license, and whether that state recognized SD drivers as not needing licenses to operate in that state.

It is still within the state power of NH to refuse MA drivers the right to drive in NH... oh what a wonderful world that would be.

[ravelkinbow]

It delays it untill the next Executive council ellection anyway.

ANybody contacting Govern Lynch about opposing it as well?

Tracy

Lynch has already come out publically against national ID in all the major media.

[d_goddard]

Lynch has already come out publically against national ID in all the major media.

Which is real nice, but it's best to use every defence we have, in order.
I'd rather not have the money go to Lynch to have the opportunity to sign in the first place!

[jgmaynard]

I'd rather not have the money go to Lynch to have the opportunity to sign in the first place!

And that is EXACTLY what a vote-down in the Exec Council will accomplish. 

JM

[Dave Ridley]

Called Eaton's Senate office today, left this message for his secretary to write down:

"Please do not accept the Real ID money"

plus my name/town/contact info

[NC2NH]

http://www.securelicense.org/site/PageServer?pagename=newhampshirepr

securelicense.org is full of pro REAL ID propaganda 

[aries]

http://www.securelicense.org/site/PageServer?pagename=newhampshirepr

securelicense.org is full of pro REAL ID propaganda 

According to them NH has a "low risk" because we don't give licenses to "terrorists"

A license is not a god damned national free-for-all card. It doesn't entitle the holder to commit crimes, enter secure areas or do much of anything other than operate a vehicle and purchase age-controlled substances. A non-driver ID card is as easy to get as filling out a form and then... getting it. That does as much as a license yet requires no driving skill either.

Why can't these neocons get this through their thick, thick heads! A piece of plastic does not make it easier to commit "acts of terrorism!"

[John]

Why can't these neocons get this through their thick, thick heads!

Well, because they are neocons.

[Dave Ridley]

After reading the KFP newspaper with the pic of barnes on the front....and the article about his role...

I got angry enough to give him a call at home yesterday. Just left a polite message telling him I'd seen his quote in the KFP and asking if he had really said that stuff about being glad they were taking our rights away.

He called me back and left a message; eventually we did talk for about 20 minutes.  He didn't deny saying it and told me basically "if I did say that, it was a pretty stupid thing to say"

It was a cordial conversation, but I felt I had to interrupt him some whenever he would admit a concern with Real ID.  i.e. if you're so concerned why didn't you stop it?  He said that he hopes the state does not take the money and at least spends some time looking this over before doing so.  Of course I had to interrupt that too.

He was speaking almost like an inmate who was recounting a crime and regretted committing it.  He indicated he would like to try to make good with us in some fashion on this issue after the next election if he survives with his seat intact.  Of course, NH will also have to survive his vote by refusing to take the money between now and then.  by 2007 the state government may have already taken the money.

He said he was going to have to go through airport security again at some point and was glad the security folks were checking him even though he didn't like some aspects of the screening.    I said the folks who are checking us are the same people who made 911 possible by dissallowing pilot-carried weapons.

He mentioned that a lot of the "libertarian part of the state" was angry with him and that he was getting a lot of emails.   Seems to appreciate calls more than emails and seemed glad of mine.   Said he would remember the conversation and that, again, I should call him again if he survives the election fight and work up some kind of solution, indicated he would like to do such a thing.  I told him I would likely hold him to that promise. 

I said that if there was some unknown factor making it difficult for him to vote in favor of this particular bill, then please at least do something "easy" to fight real ID.

He mentioned Don (I assume Don Gorman) getting on his case for meeting with the Feds behind closed doors , alghough I don't reember if he admitted the doors were closed.  He denied showing any Congressional staffers out a back door.   He said he was not aware of the Keene Free Press article about him with the picture/quote. 

He asked if I was with an organization and I said the organization i am most closely associated with is NHfree.com, the state's most active or second most active forum depending on how we are doing that week against the Herad's forum.   He said is that the libertarian party?  And I said there are a lot of libertarians there.

He indicated he did not hear back from Bradly or Bass about real ID when he contacted their offices to get an opinion. 

He seemed knowlegable about what had been going on with Real ID over the last couple months, or at least he seemed to know about as much as we do.

I thanked him for his service in the Korean War, his accessibility and his vote agains the smoke ban and don't remember what he said, but he was appreiciative of the appreciation...and  that was more or less the end of the call.

[Tom Sawyer]

Good man Dada.
Karma

[John]

My opinion is that Barnes invited the feds (in his words: I'll need to talk with our congrestional deligation) to fight against HR 1582 with his comments/questions in committee . . .
Barnes is the one who promoted/started the BS about the "Family of 5" going to Disney World" etc, etc, . . .& the $500 passport, etc., etc. BS.
He is the one who threw the door wide-open for the fed-boys to come up to Concord.  I will not forget what he did!

Barnes was the front-man to kill 1582!  And his BS worked (for now.)

That BS must not stand.

[d_goddard]

Dada, you are a Jedi Master.

As far as Barnes goes, it's simple:
* If any other Republican shows up in the primaries, as long as he's not an avowed in-yer-face neocon, he has my support
* If Barnes gets the Republican ticket, it depends on how Socialist the opposing Democrat is

Holding Barnes' feet to the fire is good.
But burning ourselves to spite him will get us nowhere (or worse, will get us a Mass-style Senator, which we damn well don't need)

And yes, I am discounting voting Libertarian for anyone except in races small enough (local and maybe House Rep) where I know my Libertarian vote has a decent realistic shot at getting my preferred party affilicate elected.

Guns and dope,
-Denis

[Rocketman]

My conscience would never allow me to vote for a guy like Barnes under any circumstances.  If no candidate in an election is worthy of my vote, I abstain or write somebody in.

Sorry Denis, but I say people who vote for Barnes deserve what they get, i.e. to be represented by an avowed statist who admits he is glad government is taking more and more of our freedoms. 

As a handy example, I wonder how it feels to have voted to reelect our current president... in retrospect, can socialist Kerry have been any worse than socialist Bush?  I voted for Badnarik and at least went to bed knowing my vote could never have been construed as a vote in favor of U.S. imperialism, Drug Prohibition, unbridled executive power, and/or the welfare state.

[Dave Ridley]

John wrote:

<<My opinion is that Barnes invited the feds >>

Ya he pretty much admitted that to me.  He was telling me which Fed legislators got back to him and which didn't.  Apparently Bass and Bradly and Sununu didn't really weigh in much with Barnes, good for them...if what he's saying is true.  Gregg was apparently the main culprit.

I did give him grief for bringing the feds into it.

He didn't really stand up for his position or vote at all during the call.

So, speaking of Jedi, remember that scene where Qui-Gon Jinn says:

"There is more going on here than meets the eye.  I sense an unusual amount of fear for something as trivial as this trade dispute."

There really is probably something going on here that we are not seeing.