CNHT's paranoia about open borders

[FTL_Ian]

I think my post got lost in the shuffle before.  CNHT suggested in another thread that open borders would lead to world government.  I'd like to explore that idea, so here are the comments that were not replied to:


World government will come about from the coalescing of other governments, if it comes about.

If we lived in a truly free land, how could the world government take control?  What military/governmental apparatus would there be for them to take control of?  Would you, as a liberty loving American, stand idly by - or would you fight?

[FrankChodorov]

CNHT suggested in another thread that open borders would lead to world government.

that's because she is more of a Pat Buchanan paleo-conservative than a Murray Rothbard libertarian...

[Kat Kanning]

You need to work on ruder subject lines, Ian.

[Fluff and Stuff]

CNHT suggested in another thread that open borders would lead to world government.

that's because she is more of a Pat Buchanan paleo-conservative than a Murray Rothbard libertarian...

Wow, I agree with you on something 

[FrankChodorov]

CNHT suggested in another thread that open borders would lead to world government.

that's because she is more of a Pat Buchanan paleo-conservative than a Murray Rothbard libertarian...

Wow, I agree with you on something 

being a catholic distributist/crunchy-con myself - I am closer too...

that is why she likes me so much!

and she can't wait to have me on her show so I can make a fool of Ed and Howard.

[tracysaboe]

Well, I think if you look at current events -- particularly somalia. That society's been stateless (more-or-less) for the past 20 years, and the U.N. has been sending it's military off and on, to jack-boot them into forming a government so they will be subsurvient and start paying back their debts. (Even thought they didn't agree to and never did agree to the debts.)

I think CNHT is worried that if NH became a stateless society the UN/US would come down on us and force us into subservience. Perhaps not.

Perhaps she's also worried that the illegals will vote us into the one world government as many illegal are rabid hard left socialists who think American owes them everything on a silver plater because they've had marxism drummed into their skulls by U.N. acolites for the past several generations.

Her concerns are valid. We should not be advocating complete open boarders untill we get rid of all the welfare and all the government owned property (notice I said abolish government property not common or unclaimed property for the land-commies.) including getting rid of government roads and other ways for immigrants who didn't grow up their to parasite off the system.

The is the anarcho-capitalist Hans Herman-Hoppe's resoning for opposing unfettered immigration. As long as we have government, imigration is one of the few things government should be involved w/

But again, like I said in previous threads, it's a complete non-issue in NH. Illegal Bloodsuckers would be moving to Taxachusets and VT, and Canada, not NH where their is relatively a lot less opportinuty for them to suck blood then in affor-mentioned places.

Tracy

[CNHT]

Well, I think if you look at current events -- particularly somalia. That society's been stateless (more-or-less) for the past 20 years, and the U.N. has been sending it's military off and on, to jack-boot them into forming a government so they will be subsurvient and start paying back their debts. (Even thought they didn't agree to and never did agree to the debts.)

I think CNHT is worried that if NH became a stateless society the UN/US would come down on us and force us into subservience. Perhaps not.

Perhaps she's also worried that the illegals will vote us into the one world government as many illegal are rabid hard left socialists who think American owes them everything on a silver plater because they've had marxism drummed into their skulls by U.N. acolites for the past several generations.

Her concerns are valid. We should not be advocating complete open boarders untill we get rid of all the welfare and all the government owned property (notice I said abolish government property not common or unclaimed property for the land-commies.) including getting rid of government roads and other ways for immigrants who didn't grow up their to parasite off the system.

The is the anarcho-capitalist Hans Herman-Hoppe's resoning for opposing unfettered immigration. As long as we have government, imigration is one of the few things government should be involved w/

But again, like I said in previous threads, it's a complete non-issue in NH. Illegal Bloodsuckers would be moving to Taxachusets and VT, and Canada, not NH where their is relatively a lot less opportinuty for them to suck blood then in affor-mentioned places.

Tracy

Thank you Tracy it has to do more with the US being invaded by the UN forces which are openly trying to set up world gov't than NH, and I would thank the Frank impersonator to stop categorizing me.
I doubt he would make a fool  of Ed and Howard, indeed he's already made a fool of himself.

[CNHT]

You need to work on ruder subject lines, Ian.

I'm honored that a whole thread was started here in honor of me no matter how rude the title. The rudeness of the title says more about the person who posted it than it does about myself.
As I have always explained before, this is not about fear of other individuals like ourselves, but of what gov'ts are doing to use them as pawns in the goal of world government.
Some folks are just learning what that, and sovereignty, means.

[CNHT]

and she can't wait to have me on her show so I can make a fool of Ed and Howard.

That will never happen...so don't hold your breath!

[CNHT]

I think my post got lost in the shuffle before.  CNHT suggested in another thread that open borders would lead to world government.  I'd like to explore that idea, so here are the comments that were not replied to:


World government will come about from the coalescing of other governments, if it comes about.

If we lived in a truly free land, how could the world government take control?  What military/governmental apparatus would there be for them to take control of?  Would you, as a liberty loving American, stand idly by - or would you fight?

You have to be kidding? 

Even with defined borders/countries as we have them now, the forces of world government have made alarming advances. In the Aaron Russo movie, he did neither condemn nor approve of open borders, but merely  made the observation that the reason it did not matter is that we were marching toward one world socialism, thus no effort was being made to stop it by securing the borders from any president. Any candidate that is anti-NWO would never make it to the presidency anyway.

Why do you, like the liberal left, have to make everyone's observations into a hate crime about people vs people (and thus a personal attack?) when you obviously seem to be a newbie to the subject of the NWO?  EVEN TRACY GETS IT! LOL

As for what entity would be attacked, it would be YOUR PERSONAL FREEDOM since the whole point of the NWO is to create a utopian society where the rich would control everything and thus eradicated war, poverty, and hunger and disease. But of course in reality in order to do that we  would all have to be managed and society being managed = SOCIALISM

I guess that's what you and the impostor Frank want?

If so you don't belong in the FSP movement! FSP is no place for utopianism.

To have NO control, is to give someone else COMPLETE control...this is a fact of life and of human nature.

[tracysaboe]

See, that's a legitimate concern then. She doesn't want all these illegals to vote to bring about the one world government. And in a democracy, a lot of people moving in can be considered an invasion force if they're voting for the government to colude to do evil things or push 1 world government.

The problem here then, is not so much open boarders and it is the combination of open boarders and democracy.

Dude you guys ALL need to read Hans Herman-Hoppe's "Democracy the good that failed." This type of discussion is a large part of the book. Compairing the immigration policies of Democracies to Monarchies, and that Democracies encourage statist -- government is suppost to do everything for me, slothfull -- immigration policies where-as monarchies encourage immigration of people that actually produce. People that don't have chips on their shoulders for the country they're immigrating too. People that aren't envious in thinking that the government they're coming too owes them and the rest of the world everything.

Unfettered immigration in the U.S. and giving them all right to vote would result in civil war as more and more factions try to get control of the government. Of course here too -- if the government weren't so powerfull, it wouldn't be worth fighting over.

I still think this isn't much of a NH issue. the NH government isn't as powerfull as most, and hopefully NH will be able to secede before the rest of the country falls into chaos and violence from the current immigration policies.

Tracy

[CNHT]

See, that's a legitimate concern then. She doesn't want all these illegals to vote to bring about the one world government. And in a democracy, a lot of people moving in can be considered an invasion force if they're voting for the government to colude to do evil things or push 1 world government.

Tracy

Not quite Tracy because it is not necessarily the VOTE that turns us over to world government, seeing as both major parties are no different on this.... It's the fact that the needy or unwilling to work are more susceptible to being managed and thus will contribute to it happening a lot faster. And most immigrants as has been pointed out, are coming here to work hard and don't want handouts necessarily. It's more about the laws and having an excuse to equalize the commerce, and the economy and giving the gov't another excuse to move in and manage that.

Some of the young'uns on this board, including FTL_Ian, will study more about it and realize that hurling accusations about not liking 'brown' people aren't going to get them anywhere.
I've been studying the NWO longer than Ian's been alive...

[Caleb]

Perhaps she's also worried that the illegals will vote us into the one world government as many illegal are rabid hard left socialists who think American owes them everything on a silver plater because they've had marxism drummed into their skulls by U.N. acolites for the past several generations.

Tracy, this is just pure nonsense.

1)  Illegals, by definition, don't vote.
2)  Most "illegals" aren't socialists.  In fact, most don't care a whit about politics.  They just want to earn a living without being bothered by the government.

Caleb

[CNHT]

Perhaps she's also worried that the illegals will vote us into the one world government as many illegal are rabid hard left socialists who think American owes them everything on a silver plater because they've had marxism drummed into their skulls by U.N. acolites for the past several generations.

Tracy, this is just pure nonsense.

1)  Illegals, by definition, don't vote.
2)  Most "illegals" aren't socialists.  In fact, most don't care a whit about politics.  They just want to earn a living without being bothered by the government.

Caleb

I agree. Except we have proof that 'illegals' from Mass and S Dakota voted here in NH. LOL

[tracysaboe]

See, that's a legitimate concern then. She doesn't want all these illegals to vote to bring about the one world government. And in a democracy, a lot of people moving in can be considered an invasion force if they're voting for the government to colude to do evil things or push 1 world government.

Tracy

Not quite Tracy because it is not necessarily the VOTE that turns us over to world government, seeing as both major parties are no different on this.... It's the fact that the needy or unwilling to work are more susceptible to being managed and thus will contribute to it happening a lot faster. And most immigrants as has been pointed out, are coming here to work hard and don't want handouts necessarily. It's more about the laws and having an excuse to equalize the commerce, and the economy and giving the gov't another excuse to move in and manage that.

Some of the young'uns on this board, including FTL_Ian, will study more about it and realize that hurling accusations about not liking 'brown' people aren't going to get them anywhere.
I've been studying the NWO longer than Ian's been alive...

Got-cha. Reread my post everybody I've eddited and added to it.

Tracy