CNHT's paranoia about open borders

[FTL_Ian]

Yes, people who think the US military can defend them should look to Katrina, where national guardsmen were going house to house confiscating weapons.

They backed off when one lawyer threatened to shoot them if they came on his property.  Too bad hundreds of others didn't have that same courage.  They thought they were being "protected", when in fact they were being disarmed.

If I was a violent criminal, I'd have simply followed the guardsmen as they were confiscating weapons, and attacked the residents in those freshly unarmed homes.

[Lloyd Danforth]

So, Ian...what kind of criminal are you?

[CNHT]

Yes, people who think the US military can defend them should look to Katrina, where national guardsmen were going house to house confiscating weapons.

They backed off when one lawyer threatened to shoot them if they came on his property.  Too bad hundreds of others didn't have that same courage.  They thought they were being "protected", when in fact they were being disarmed.

If I was a violent criminal, I'd have simply followed the guardsmen as they were confiscating weapons, and attacked the residents in those freshly unarmed homes.

And DON'T expect them to defend you against the UN either...in light of the Posse Comitatus
Act of 1878, they will let the UN move in and do the bullying. After all, they UN is working for 'them' while not being covered in the Constitution and thus lies the slipperly slope of who is in charge and not having anything to fall back on with regard to the law.

SCARY.

[frisco]

In regards to Tracy's earlier comment, OF COURSE I want to end welfare prior to opening the borders.  It would be foolish to do one without the other.

Ian, I used to hold this same opinion.  It was pointed out to me that making one liberty contingent upon another is a slippery slope.  If we were to apply that logic consistently, then we should in fact ban all high risk behaviors (require seat belts, helmets, healthy diet and excercise, etc) simply because there is an increased risk of the taxpayer taking the fall in medical costs.

From a pragmatic standpoint, government does a crappy job of keeping people out today.  We can invest a whole lot more money in the controls and hope that it pans out as someplace near cost-effective, but remember we're still talking about government imposed prohibition.  That tactic always results in black markets.

I say "Uncle Sam, tear down your wall!"

[Fluff and Stuff]

I say "Uncle Sam, tear down your wall!"

Well said!

[BillyC]

Yes, people who think the US military can defend them should look to Katrina, where national guardsmen were going house to house confiscating weapons.

They backed off when one lawyer threatened to shoot them if they came on his property.  Too bad hundreds of others didn't have that same courage.  They thought they were being "protected", when in fact they were being disarmed.

If I was a violent criminal, I'd have simply followed the guardsmen as they were confiscating weapons, and attacked the residents in those freshly unarmed homes.

And DON'T expect them to defend you against the UN either...in light of the Posse Comitatus
Act of 1878, they will let the UN move in and do the bullying. After all, they UN is working for 'them' while not being covered in the Constitution and thus lies the slipperly slope of who is in charge and not having anything to fall back on with regard to the law.

SCARY.

This is scary!


http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=49482


Marchers say gringos,
not illegals, have to go
Activists turn tables, offer no amnesty for 'non-indigenous' on 'our continent'
Posted: March 29, 2006
1:00 a.m. Eastern


? 2006 WorldNetDaily.com


Mexica Movement activists protest in L.A.

WASHINGTON ? While debates about guest-worker programs for illegal aliens take place in the corridors of power, in the streets of America's big cities no amnesty is being offered by activists calling for the expulsion of most U.S. citizens from their own country.

While politicians debate the fate of some 12 million people residing in the U.S. illegally, the Mexica Movement, one of the organizers of the mass protest in Los Angeles this week, has already decided it is the "non-indigenous," white, English-speaking U.S. citizens of European descent who have to leave what they call "our continent."

The pictures and captions tell the story.

    * "This is our continent, not yours!" exclaimed one banner.

    * "We are indigenous! The only owners of this continent!" said another.

    * "If you think I'm illegal because I'm a Mexican, learn the true history, because I'm in my homeland," read another sign.


"One of the more negative parts of the march was when American flags were passed out to make sure the marchers were looked on as part of 'America,'" said the group's commentary on the L.A. rally.

Both Rep. James Sensebrenner, R-Wis., chairman of the House Judiciary Committee and a proponent of tougher border security, and California Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger were caricatured as Nazis by the group on its posters and banners.

The group insists the indigenous people of the continent were the victims of genocide ? a campaign of extermination that killed, according to one citation, 95 percent of their population, or 33 million people. Another citation on the same website claims the toll was 70 million to 100 million.

The only solution, says the Mexica Movement, is to expel the invaders of the last 500 years, force them to pay reparations and return the continent to its rightful heirs.

The platform of the group illustrates the diverse ? and sometimes extreme ? agendas of those participating in the mass mobilizations that have been seen largely as protests against efforts to curb illegal immigration.

Some of those involved, including the Mexica Movement, have much bigger goals than stopping a piece of legislation before Congress.


The Mexica Movement has big issues with many other equally radical groups participating in the massive, united-front rallies. The group makes a point of distinguishing its goals and objectives from others, such as the separatist Aztlan Movement.

Aztlan, the mythical birthplace of the Aztecs, is regarded in Chicano folklore as an area that includes California, Arizona, Nevada, New Mexico and parts of Colorado and Texas. The movement seeks to create a sovereign, Spanish-speaking state, "Republica del Norte," or the Republic of the North, that would combine the American Southwest with the northern Mexican states and eventually merge with Mexico.

A group called "La Voz de Aztlan," the Voice of Aztlan, identifies Mexicans in the U.S. as "America's Palestinians." Many Mexicans see themselves as part of a transnational ethnic group known as "La Raza," the race. A May editorial on the website, with a dateline of Los Angeles, Alta California, declares that "both La Raza and the Palestinians have been displaced by invaders that have utilized military means to conquer and occupy our territories."

Others in the coalition hope to see a "reconquest" of the American southwest by Mexico. This would not likely take place through military action, they say, but rather through a slow process of migration ? both legal and illegal.

[CNHT]

I say "Uncle Sam, tear down your wall!"

Well said!

And I say you are a traitor who is helping the UN get what it wants, to make that whole section of the US and Mexico a region in its global governance scheme just as the Vermont secession movement is, of course, on purpose..
You know not what you advocate!

It's about geo-politics, not xenophobia... 

:atlas:

[FTL_Ian]

In regards to Tracy's earlier comment, OF COURSE I want to end welfare prior to opening the borders.  It would be foolish to do one without the other.

Ian, I used to hold this same opinion.  It was pointed out to me that making one liberty contingent upon another is a slippery slope.  If we were to apply that logic consistently, then we should in fact ban all high risk behaviors (require seat belts, helmets, healthy diet and excercise, etc) simply because there is an increased risk of the taxpayer taking the fall in medical costs.

Morey, I'd never advocate increasing regulation, PERIOD.  I simply place "end welfare" above "open the borders" on the to-do list.  This helps some xenophobes feel a little better, is all.

[FTL_Ian]

So, Ian...what kind of criminal are you?

A non-violent one.   

[FrankChodorov]

I simply place "end welfare" above "open the borders" on the to-do list. 

1. end all state granted privileges that creates the need for welfare
2. open borders

welfare programs are just the left's arbitrary attempt to deal with perceived economic and social injustice issues.

get to the root cause - privileges (private laws that treat one group different then another) and you ultimate are addressing economic and social justice issues from a principled point of view.

[FrankChodorov]

helping the UN get what it wants, to make that whole section of the US and Mexico a region in its global governance scheme just as the Vermont secession movement is, of course, on purpose..

absurd...the founder of the Free State Project, a secessionist scholar himself, has written positively about the SVR.

I have the private letters myself and would be willing to show them to you when I come to do a radio show...

[CNHT]

helping the UN get what it wants, to make that whole section of the US and Mexico a region in its global governance scheme just as the Vermont secession movement is, of course, on purpose..

absurd...the founder of the Free State Project, a secessionist scholar himself, has written positively about the SVR.

I have the private letters myself and would be willing to show them to you when I come to do a radio show...

A quisling is NEVER invited to do our radio show...

[FrankChodorov]

helping the UN get what it wants, to make that whole section of the US and Mexico a region in its global governance scheme just as the Vermont secession movement is, of course, on purpose..

absurd...the founder of the Free State Project, a secessionist scholar himself, has written positively about the SVR.

I have the private letters myself and would be willing to show them to you when I come to do a radio show...

A quisling is NEVER invited to do our radio show...

and what exactly am I a traitor to?

[CNHT]

If I was a violent criminal, I'd have simply followed the guardsmen as they were confiscating weapons, and attacked the residents in those freshly unarmed homes.

Well, brilliant observation. But again, are you looking at the 'big picture'?

You should be very concerned with the UN who is promoting the global banning of weapons, trying to nullify our Constitution and write a new one.
They are an NGO who has an awful lot of influence in spite of being an NGO.
You can dismiss them as unimportant, but they are responsible for 90% of the nonsense that is going on in the public schools.
You'd better study up and know your enemy. Just look at one DIVISION of the UN, UNESCO for example. See what their ambitious goals are, all spelled out for you right there. Then wander over to the Agenda 21 pages and then the pages on Global Governance. It's the epitome of nanny-statism but on a global level. And they are getting countries and states in the US to do their bidding.

I don't dislike the people who come over the borders, I dislike it as an indication of the success of the forces who think we need to eradicate all sovereign countries and answer to one authority (as Strobe Talbot explained during the Clinton administration) , an authority made up of people who think they are smarter and better than you are and know how to take care of your needs better than you do and think their caste system of control will wipe out war, poverty, hunger, and illness with their management of you, your children, and everything you own and do.

In a truly free society there will always be *some* war, poverty, hunger and illness.

Just tonight someone who is building a house asked me about an 'international building code'. If that doesn't scare you then you are truly hiding your head in the sand. (Even my late husband who had the highest security clearance from the gov't  and was a well respected engineer and well-known from coast to coast for his work, admitted that ISO-2000 et al was simply a method to equalize technology among countries, in essence, letting them steal our technology...all because America's system of capitalism is healthy while in Europe their economy is dead and they are completely jealous of our prosperity and want to make things 'fairer' to the developing countries. Why do you think NAFTA allows Mexico to use pesticides that were banned here 20 years ago and allows their trucks to ride on our highways with different inspection and weight rules?)

Please if you are going to be a talk show host, do some reading and understand the root cause of these national issues.

So like the Iraq war, there is no point in arguing about the borders because it is just a symptom of a worse problem.

[CNHT]

absurd...the founder of the Free State Project, a secessionist scholar himself, has written positively about the SVR.
I have the private letters myself and would be willing to show them to you when I come to do a radio show...

I am sure Jason would not knowingly support something that the UN is aiming for. All secessions are not alike. A true secession would leave Vt a sovereign state, not part of some other socialist regime in Canada that is envisioned by the UN in the divisions of 8.