FTL_Ian's Personal Attacks on CNHT

[tracysaboe]

Should this go to endless debate and whining too? Or does a thread need to be 3 pages long before it gets considered?

Tracy

[CNHT]

Should this go to endless debate and whining too? Or does a thread need to be 3 pages long before it gets considered?

Tracy

Nope I'm done with Ian. Please just attack my ideas and not me personally from now own, OK?
Tell me that you think the unsecured borders are NOT a symptom of encroaching socialistic globalization, but don't tell me I don't like it because I don't like the people who are coming here as a result of the unsecured borders.

[FTL_Ian]

I see you mention "globalization".  Are you against free trade too?

open borders = liberty
closed borders = police state

Your choice!

[Fluff and Stuff]

You know, this talk and Morey's comment made me post a new myspace blog,

http://blog.myspace.com/tnfreedom

[CNHT]

I see you mention "globalization".  Are you against free trade too?

I am not opposed to free trade with other countries, no, why would I be?

open borders = liberty
closed borders = police state
Your choice!

You have to be kidding!

Open borders = advancement of global socialism with NO CHOICE

So, you want the 'world' to be your police state instead? To where would you flee then? The world has borders. It just does!

I think you need to read more...and not be so naive.
And you did not answer the question which is and should be not whether we like/dislike people but what open borders is/is not a symptom of.
By engaging racism in the debate you are completely avoiding the real issue to meet it head on. That's just what they want. Keep 'em fighting each other so they won't be watching the real issues.....yup.

[FTL_Ian]

You're reading things in that aren't there.  Calm down.  That last post had nothing to do with racism.  Closing borders requires govt. enforcement, keeping people out requires a police state.

You're the one suggesting open borders under Liberty would lead to UN takeover, and it's based on nothing but paranoia, Jane.  You've not once put forth exactly how you think Liberty leads to global control.  Huh??  Explain your theory, and then I'll answer whatever questions you want.

Did you suggest I was a "liberal" earlier, or was that comment directed elsewhere?

[Fluff and Stuff]

I see you mention "globalization".  Are you against free trade too?

open borders = liberty
closed borders = police state

Your choice!

I'll add this to the myspace blog I posted.  Great stuff!

[FTL_Ian]

That was a great post, by the way.

[CNHT]

You're reading things in that aren't there.  Calm down.  That last post had nothing to do with racism.  Closing borders requires govt. enforcement, keeping people out requires a police state.

Unfortunately you can't see further than your own nose. Unless you have someplace else to go other than planet earth, you will be under a police state without sovereign countries. Tell me, do you have a key to the studio where you broadcast? Why can't I have a key too?

You're the one suggesting open borders under Liberty would lead to UN takeover, and it's based on nothing but paranoia, Jane.  You've not once put forth exactly how you think Liberty leads to global control.  Huh??  Explain your theory, and then I'll answer whatever questions you want.

No, I am not and have  never said liberty and open borderes 'leads' to global control. Your lack of knowledge about this keeps getting in the way of your assumptions. I am saying it's a symptom to get us to ACCEPT world gov't and it seems to be working very well on you!

I said diversity of gov'ts leads to liberty, as in, ahem, dare I say, COMPETITION? You don't want ONE GOV'T SCHOOL so why would you want ONE GOV'T????   LOL
Not paranoia, just reality. You are completely discounting the push for world gov't which is an accepted fact. Otherwise, why do FSPers burn UN flags? Why do they pay any attention to the UN at all?

Did you suggest I was a "liberal" earlier, or was that comment directed elsewhere?

Where was that? I was probably referring to Bill. I don't think you are a liberal but you ARE inadvertently making it easy for us to live under a permanent police state with lack of diversity and no place to escape and NO CHOICE by your reaction to the border situation. You can accept that things are manipulated to get folks to want accept more control under the guise of 'security' yet you can't see the same MO here?

[FTL_Ian]

diversity of gov'ts leads to liberty

Incorrect.  Government is force, and that is the antithesis of Liberty.

Liberty is the absence of coercive force.  Under Liberty, you'll be protected by market based protection services that will be happy to protect you from the big scary world government.

I understand there's a "push" for world government.  That's why we're going to downsize ours in NH so we won't be affected by it.

[CNHT]

I see you mention "globalization".  Are you against free trade too?

open borders = liberty
closed borders = police state

Your choice!

I'll add this to the myspace blog I posted.  Great stuff!

Yeah real great.    Real stupid...
It should say, sovereignty or slavery, your choice.

[CNHT]

diversity of gov'ts leads to liberty

Incorrect.  Government is force, and that is the antithesis of Liberty.

I don't agree that 'government is force'. As long as there is going to be gov't I want to be able to choose mine....and believe me no matter what you say, there will be some sort of gov't.

Liberty is the absence of coercive force.  Under Liberty, you'll be protected by market based protection services that will be happy to protect you from the big scary world government.

Yes and when pigs can fly. Market-based protection services such as...to go against George Soros and his ilk? I can picture you hunkering in your bunker, with your gun.

I understand there's a "push" for world government.  That's why we're going to downsize ours in NH so we won't be affected by it.

I don't think you understand much. If you believe in open borders for the country, then you would for NH, so how do you keep out those forces and that 'push'?
I can't argue with someone who isn't making sense. You are well-meaning but naive.

Just do me a favor please? And go here and read up on what they have planned for everyone?

http://www.un.org/english/

You like this one for example? What gives them the right to say you, here in the US, should not have small arms?

http://disarmament.un.org/cab/salw.html

And one more thing I will add because I'm not going to answer any more posts until you have read at least ONE section of the vast bunch of stuff that is on the UN website:

To say we will have liberty with no sovereignty of gov'ts is like the UN saying we will have peace and no crime by banning guns. You would not want to ban guns would you?


Oh and lest you think the UN will stop at the world, they even want to control outer space! Check out this madness!

UNITED NATIONS OFFICE FOR OUTER SPACE AFFAIRS
The United Nations Office for Outer Space Affairs (UNOOSA) is the United Nations office responsible for promoting international cooperation in the peaceful uses of outer space. The Office serves as the secretariat for the General Assembly's only committee dealing exclusively with international cooperation in the peaceful uses of outer space: the Committee on the Peaceful Uses of Outer Space (UNCOPUOS). The Committee has two subcommittees: the Scientific and Technical Subcommittee and the Legal Subcommittee.

Committee on the Peaceful Uses of Outer Space
Programme on Space Applications
Register of Space Objects <-------------------------------------------------------This one I LOVE! Excise tax for your Morkmobile?? LOLOLLL Moose Plates please!
Space Activities of Member States
Space Activities of the UN System
Space Debris and Nuclear Power

[FTL_Ian]

I don't agree that 'government is force'.

You don't have to agree to be wrong.

Govern: "To control the actions or behavior of"

As long as there is going to be gov't I want to be able to choose mine....and believe me no matter what you say, there will be some sort of gov't.

If you are choosing, then you're describing a private defense agency.

Yes and when pigs can fly. Market-based protection services such as...to go against George Soros and his ilk? I can picture you hunkering in your bunker, with your gun.

Don't blame me because you have no vision.  People in search of profit will provide you with protection for an affordable rate, thanks to competition.  Versus government which doesn't allow competition, extracts whatever they want, and doesn't claim to owe you ANY protection.

I don't think you understand much. If you believe in open borders for the country, then you would for NH, so how do you keep out those forces and that 'push'?

An educated, armed populace.

I can't argue with someone who isn't making sense. You are well-meaning but naive.

Funny, I feel the same way about you!

Just do me a favor please? And go here and read up on what they have planned for everyone?

http://www.un.org/english/

Um, no.  I don't spend my life reading websites of boring bureaucracies.

You like this one for example? What gives them the right to say you, here in the US, should not have small arms?

Not a goddamn thing.  I have a .45 Colt locked and loaded.

And one more thing I will add because I'm not going to answer any more posts until you have read at least ONE section of the vast bunch of stuff that is on the UN website:

Guess I'll talk to you later then.  I note you still haven't explained how the UN will take over a free land.  (I didn't expect you to, you just babble about their "plans".)

To say we will have liberty with no sovereignty of gov'ts is like the UN saying we will have peace and no crime by banning guns. You would not want to ban guns would you?

Governments aren't sovereign.  Individuals are.  This federal government is no longer something I consent to, so I withdraw my consent.  And of course I wouldn't ban guns.  It's how we'll defend our individual sovereignty.

Oh and lest you think the UN will stop at the world, they even want to control outer space! Check out this madness!

Just as mad as the feds wanting to control outer space.  It's all mad, Jane.

[tracysaboe]

Ian, open boarders in a democracy leads to massive socialism. By expanding the amount of people who vote you expand the amount of people who believe in the great myth of government that it can give everybody everything w/o taking anything.

Democracy is socialism. The more people in said democracy, the more diversified, complicated, expansive that socialism is.

The real choice then considering that we are a democracy (or at least have morphed into one.) is

Open boarders = Massive socialism, possible civil war as people fight over who get the loot, etc. Of course the violence caused by people fighting over the loot, and because they feel it's not fair because their group isn't getting represented properly, could also encourage police state.

or

Closed boarders = Police state -- except only at the boarders.

What this country needs is an immigration policy that encourages hard-workers to move in, but keeps the blood-suckers out.  Of course given that we're a democracy the only way of politicians to buy votes it to do exactly the opposite. 

CNHT: "Government is force" comes straight from a quote by Washington.

Government is not reason; it is not eloquent; it is force. Like fire, it is a dangerous servant and a fearful master. Never for a moment should it be left to irresponsible action.

--George Washington

The "it" in this quote is a pronoun substituting for the word "government" In otherwords.

Government is not reason; {Government} is not eloquent; {Government} is force. Like fire, {Government} is a dangerous servant and a fearful master. Never for a moment should {Government} be left to irresponsible action.

--George Washington

Tracy

[FTL_Ian]

Tracy, you and I agree completely.  This is why democracy sucks.  (And welfare sucks.)