FTL_Ian's Personal Attacks on CNHT

[CNHT]

No, it doesn't. All "UN soldiers" belong to member nations, and are subject to their own chains of command.

The UN is a quasi government, with desire to be an actual government. But it's not a country, and doesn't have a population from which to draw soldiers.

Peacekeeping operations, other than those that could be handled by a Boy Scout troop (which is most most of them), have always relied on the military forces of a major member. That's usually the US or UK. If we don't participate, it just doesn't happen.

Kevin

Kev, boy scouts don't kill and terrorize people and take away their guns. UN soldiers do.

[Tunga]

No, it doesn't. All "UN soldiers" belong to member nations, and are subject to their own chains of command.

KBCraig what happened to that American kid who got court Marshalled for not obeying UN Directives?

When you say chains of command are you presumming the chains of command respect the soveriegn will of the fighting man?

[tracysaboe]

BTW Tracy what did you think of the quoted remarks from the Declaration of Independence that Tunga posted in responce to you claim that the founders would never have pledged themselves to anything of value. Is sacred honor a foreign ideal to you ?

There's a big difference between pledging yourself to something of value and pledging yourself to the government. Christianity forbids me from worshiping false gods and as such it's my sacred honor duty to not honor or pledge myself to the government.

Tracy

[Tunga]

At least the false gods of the Republic had the courage to do what needed to be done regarding breaking the chains of oppression. The supreme court ruled the Constitution is a religious document.
Being an American is my religion.

[KBCraig]

No, it doesn't. All "UN soldiers" belong to member nations, and are subject to their own chains of command.

KBCraig what happened to that American kid who got court Marshalled for not obeying UN Directives?

His name is Michael New, and he wasn't court martialed for disobeying the UN. He was court martialed for disobeying the U.S. Army.

I supported him, by the way. He was correct in his argument that the UN blue is not an authorized item on the Army uniform. He was willing to go on the mission and willing to serve; he showed up for formation, on time, with the proper gear, in the proper U.S. Army uniform. The rest of the unit was out of uniform by wearing the blue beret.

Kevin

[tracysaboe]

At least the false gods of the Republic had the courage to do what needed to be done regarding breaking the chains of oppression. The supreme court ruled the Constitution is a religious document.
Being an American is my religion.

Well, perhaps you think you should worship the constitutional government, but worshiping the government is not something a majority of the founders were interested in.

Tracy

[KBCraig]

Kev, boy scouts don't kill and terrorize people and take away their guns. UN soldiers do.

They're not UN soldiers. There is no UN army.

They're soldiers from the armies of the US, or UK, or France, or Sweden, or Sri Lanka, or Idontgivedamnastan.

[FTL_Ian]

Ian - not everyone here wants to see the government go away and have NH or the country turn to anarchy.

I never suggested they did.  We were talking about fantasy land where the government goes away, in that fantasy land, Jane claimed the UN would take over and socialism would be rampant, and she backed up this idea with nothing but paranoia.

[FTL_Ian]

OMG!!!  What country has not had 'peacekeeping' operations move in on them with 'provisional' governments set up and forced upon them when they had none?

If they can't handle it in Somalia, they sure can't handle it here.  The big bad US military can't handle a ragtag group of insurgents in Iraq.  You think the UN is somehow going to be able to defeat Americans on native soil?  Just shows your lack of belief in the people of this country.

I'm loquacious because I can't believe you could be a talk show host and be so naive. (Or be taken seriously with your 'no gov't' utopia ideas!)

Government is a utopian idea.  I find it funny that you elevate "talk show host", as though we're somehow special and should be better educated than other people.  Quit perpetuating that myth, Jane.  Talk show hosts are just people behind microphones.  Some of them are smart, others are dumb as rocks.  Place me where you will.

[CNHT]

Kev, boy scouts don't kill and terrorize people and take away their guns. UN soldiers do.

They're not UN soldiers. There is no UN army.

They're soldiers from the armies of the US, or UK, or France, or Sweden, or Sri Lanka, or Idontgivedamnastan.

Yes and they wear the blue helmets of the UN .

[CNHT]

Government is a utopian idea.  I find it funny that you elevate "talk show host", as though we're somehow special and should be better educated than other people.  Quit perpetuating that myth, Jane.  Talk show hosts are just people behind microphones.  Some of them are smart, others are dumb as rocks.  Place me where you will.
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Only if you make it. You seem to think you can aspire to a world with no government whatsoever which is utterly ridiculous, extreme and not credible.

It's not a question of education but a question of credibility.

[FTL_Ian]

Clearly there are a number of people who agree with me, lots of them are very credible.  Many of them are on this forum.

Plus, the fact that I'm behind a microphone automatically gives my ideas credibility, whether you like it or not.

This debate will go on for the rest of our lives, and that's good.  Here's why:

We're changing the face of political debate.  You and your people believe in small government.  My people want none at all.

It's a much healthier debate than big govt. left vs. big govt. right, would you at least agree to that?

[Fluff and Stuff]

Clearly there are a number of people who agree with me, lots of them are very credible.  Many of them are on this forum.

Thanks, thank you very much 

[CNHT]

Clearly there are a number of people who agree with me, lots of them are very credible.  Many of them are on this forum.
Plus, the fact that I'm behind a microphone automatically gives my ideas credibility, whether you like it or not.

You previously implied that it didn't...

This debate will go on for the rest of our lives, and that's good.  Here's why:

We're changing the face of political debate.  You and your people believe in small government.  My people want none at all.

It's a much healthier debate than big govt. left vs. big govt. right, would you at least agree to that?

No... because you are standing in the way of people who are not just rejecting things but doing things to change things.
If you believe in NO gov't then what the heck DO you talk about on your radio show?

[FTL_Ian]

You previously implied that it didn't...

Wrong, you read too far in and jumped to conclusions.  No surprise there.

No... because you are standing in the way of people who are not just rejecting things but doing things to change things.

Hah!  It's clear that you don't know anything about what I'm doing.  Also, how many more time can you use "things" in one sentence?  Try expanding your vocabulary, Jane.  Maybe you should put down all those books about the UN and grab a dictionary.

If you believe in NO gov't then what the heck DO you talk about on your radio show?

Try asking one of the thousands of people who listen from around the world.  Perhaps ask Gardner Goldsmith, one of the talk hosts in NH that truly understands Liberty.  He's even smarter than I, you should give him a listen sometime.  (You'd never lower yourself to listening to drivel like FTL, after all, we're "standing in the way of people who want to change things"!) 

Didn't you say something about not responding to me until I read the UN website?  I didn't read it, so you know.