FTL_Ian's Personal Attacks on CNHT

[tracysaboe]

OMG!!!  What country has not had 'peacekeeping' operations move in on them with 'provisional' governments set up and forced upon them when they had none?

If they can't handle it in Somalia, they sure can't handle it here.  The big bad US military can't handle a ragtag group of insurgents in Iraq.  You think the UN is somehow going to be able to defeat Americans on native soil?  Just shows your lack of belief in the people of this country.

Especially considering how much more wealthy New Hampshirites are compaired to Iraq and Somalia. We've already eveloped economic and market tools in place to cooporate and coordinate our efforts and much more wealth to back it up relative to the two afore-mentioned examples.

Tracy

[KBCraig]

Kev, boy scouts don't kill and terrorize people and take away their guns. UN soldiers do.

They're not UN soldiers. There is no UN army.

They're soldiers from the armies of the US, or UK, or France, or Sweden, or Sri Lanka, or Idontgivedamnastan.

Yes and they wear the blue helmets of the UN .

You, I, Ian, Russell, and many others wear the "porcupine badge". That doesn't mean that we're all taking orders from Varrin and marching in lockstep.

Jane, I love ya. But your responses here give credence to those you're arguing against. Get some sleep, focus on the websites you're building, and come back to the Underground forums after you've had some time to regain your senses.

Seriously: love ya. Not trying to argue with you. Get some rest!

Kevin

[Fluff and Stuff]

Varrin.

Kevin

Who is Varrin?  Oh yeah, he is that guy that offered to take orders from me just like Jason has.  In the FSP, we are all equal.

The UN is not like that.

The UN is controlled by the US government.  It is used to do what the US government wants it to do.

[FTL_Ian]

Jane, I love ya. But your responses here give credence to those you're arguing against. Get some sleep, focus on the websites you're building, and come back to the Underground forums after you've had some time to regain your senses.

Seriously: love ya. Not trying to argue with you. Get some rest!

By the way, I have nothing against Jane, I helped her with her podcast.  I know she's working in the right direction in general, but I can't stand to see Liberty misunderstood.  Thanks for the compliment, Kevin.  

[CNHT]

Didn't you say something about not responding to me until I read the UN website?  I didn't read it, so you know.

OK fair enough - if you don't want to educate yourself, that's your choice. And you still haven't answered my question about what it is that you talk about if you don't believe in ANY government.

And, I took that sentiment from the saying right from the top of this forum:

"The person who says it cannot be done should not interrupt the person doing it."

[CNHT]

Kev, boy scouts don't kill and terrorize people and take away their guns. UN soldiers do.

They're not UN soldiers. There is no UN army.

They're soldiers from the armies of the US, or UK, or France, or Sweden, or Sri Lanka, or Idontgivedamnastan.

Yes and they wear the blue helmets of the UN .

You, I, Ian, Russell, and many others wear the "porcupine badge". That doesn't mean that we're all taking orders from Varrin and marching in lockstep.

Jane, I love ya. But your responses here give credence to those you're arguing against. Get some sleep, focus on the websites you're building, and come back to the Underground forums after you've had some time to regain your senses.

Seriously: love ya. Not trying to argue with you. Get some rest!

Kevin

I'm not sure what you mean --  everyone is entitled to argue their opinion and mine is simply that if you sit around and do nothing because you 'drop out' you will just be swallowed by the very thing you wish to avoid.

The people who 'dropped out' in the 60s did nothing to help the advancement of government, did they? Where are they now?

I simply believe in limited government because I feel it's needed to oppose those who would seek to impose all encompassing government.
I am sure that makes sense to anyone.

[CNHT]

By the way, I have nothing against Jane, I helped her with her podcast.  I know she's working in the right direction in general, but I can't stand to see Liberty misunderstood.  Thanks for the compliment, Kevin.  

You helped me with my podcast? When was that? Were you the one who called me up and gave me the recipe for the resampling?

Liberty misunderstood? Please don't speak for me. Perhaps it's not as an extreme view as yours, but it's definitely not misunderstood.

And the whole thing that sparked off this debate was your starting of a thread that personally attacked me which had been done before by someone suggesting I am against illegal immigration because it is perceived that I dislike certain colors of people. To me that is a very grave thing to say about someone one has never met and not something I would let go unchallenged.

[FTL_Ian]

I'm not sure what you mean --  everyone is entitled to argue their opinion and mine is simply that if you sit around and do nothing because you 'drop out' you will just be swallowed by the very thing you wish to avoid.

I just spent 20 hours at an OPH booth in the last two weeks.  I've hardly "dropped out".  My life is dedicated to Liberty.  We'll leave it here Jean, I won't accuse you of being a racist, (I don't think you are), and you can avoid making judgements about me.

[Fluff and Stuff]

I love this.  Yall can go all day.  What type of batteries ya using?

[Russell Kanning]

I think "dropping out" of political wrangling is a positive.

It seems very logical to me to not want any government ordering people around like the US or the UN.

[FrankChodorov]

The people who 'dropped out' in the 60s did nothing to help the advancement of government, did they? Where are they now?

in Vermont, members of the Second Vermont Republic

[CNHT]

Ian - not everyone here wants to see the government go away and have NH or the country turn to anarchy.
I firstly want the US to get out of the UN and stop honoring all of its treaties, unless we otherwise were going to.
Anarchy is an unrealistic goal for the US without a massive civil war.

The UN is not just made up of US and UK soldiers, it's many other countries, almost 200 that participate. The UN would love nothing more than to swoop in and take over a country that is dissolving or has 'no' gov't.  Don't you know that is *what they do*?

[CNHT]

You think the UN can take over the USA?

They are doing it now, not by force, but by legislation.

If you hate gov't, you need to learn to hate the UN because it's a very strong coalition of gov'ts. with the same goal in mind = world socialism. They are very proud of their international laws, international courts, international building codes (someone just asked me about this yesterday who is building a house in NH and it was chilling to have to explain to him where this came from) and the infusion of their porpaganda into the public schools.

If you want to eradicate gov't, you'd best look further than just the US gov't.

[Ron Helwig]

Is there any way to 'ignore' a topic and not have it show up in the 'Show unread posts...' list?

[CNHT]

The UN has lots of regulations they'd like to impose.  They need a local government to do the imposing.  How will the UN impose its regulations if there is no government to do their bidding?

OMG!!!  What country has not had 'peacekeeping' operations move in on them with 'provisional' governments set up and forced upon them when they had none?
The UN has its own soldiers, remember?

No, it doesn't. All "UN soldiers" belong to member nations, and are subject to their own chains of command.

The UN is a quasi government, with desire to be an actual government. But it's not a country, and doesn't have a population from which to draw soldiers.

Peacekeeping operations, other than those that could be handled by a Boy Scout troop (which is most most of them), have always relied on the military forces of a major member. That's usually the US or UK. If we don't participate, it just doesn't happen.

Kevin

And Michael New did not want to take orders from a UN-dressed person so he was court-martialed. If the US were sovereign and did not belong to the UN this could not happen.