FTL_Ian's Personal Attacks on CNHT

[CNHT]

Ian - not everyone here wants to see the government go away and have NH or the country turn to anarchy.

I never suggested they did.  We were talking about fantasy land where the government goes away, in that fantasy land, Jane claimed the UN would take over and socialism would be rampant, and she backed up this idea with nothing but paranoia.

I backed it up with the facts of the things that have happened since 1945 and that information is all on the UN website for the reading.
You reallys shouldn't  accuse someone of paranoia when you won't read the evidence.

And in today's world, if our gov't just 'went away', thinking there would be no one there to swoop in and take over immediately is rather short-sighted and I stand by my opinion based on the fact that so much has already happened to take over things.

The folks who 'dropped out' in the 60s did nothing to help encroaching gov't it would seem. We are in worse shape than we were then. It's this very NON-PARTCIPATION of the masses that has allowed the gov't to get as out of control as it has. Because after all, the gov't IS and SHOULD BE the people, and if they give up that right, they should not be complaining.

[CNHT]

I'm not sure what you mean --  everyone is entitled to argue their opinion and mine is simply that if you sit around and do nothing because you 'drop out' you will just be swallowed by the very thing you wish to avoid.

I just spent 20 hours at an OPH booth in the last two weeks.  I've hardly "dropped out".  My life is dedicated to Liberty.  We'll leave it here Jean, I won't accuse you of being a racist, (I don't think you are), and you can avoid making judgements about me.

Well a simple apology about your suggesting I dislike people would have sufficed, but instead you started a thread calling me paranoid on top of it all.

I think there are some that might think your idea of 0 gov't is a little paranoid if not unrealistic.

Apparently Aaron Russo did not think the symptom of unsecured borders being attributed to the encroaching world gov't was a paranoid idea, because he emphasized that theme througout the movie.
He backed it up with lots of things, same as I did here. (But you would not read)

Sometimes the gov't you think you are fighting is in the shadows, which was the whole point of the movie.
The bankers, the UN, the CFR the Committee of 300 -- no one elected those people. But they are a force to be reckoned with because they are steering things. I guess a simple way to put it would be 'special interests', HUGE special interests.

And people just brush off the UN as some sort of benificent organization because who would argue when they are being told it's 'for the children'? This is how propaganda can desensitize you to the real issue.

Everyone knows that when a local politician campaigns on the platform of ending poverty, hunger, disease, they are probably a redistributionist who wants to raise taxes and impose socialized medicine. Why can't you see that on the global level I can't understand.

[CNHT]

Is there any way to 'ignore' a topic and not have it show up in the 'Show unread posts...' list?

Ron, perhaps you can devote yourself to this nonsense instead:

http://forum.soulawakenings.com/index.php?topic=3368.0;topicseen

[CNHT]

End welfare and eliminate all "free" public services, then open the borders.

End welfare and keep the US a sovereign country that does not participate in and honor the wishes of the UN but whose sole duty is to honor the Constitution!

Yes!

Thank you Lloyd... (who I think understands the global climate better than most...)

[FrankChodorov]

The UN would love nothing more than to swoop in and take over a country that is dissolving or has 'no' gov't.

and there you have the source of paranoia against anarchism...

no government (anarchy) means no defense means UN waiting in the lurch to swoop in and scoop us up...

[FTL_Ian]

The bankers, the UN, the CFR the Committee of 300 -- no one elected those people. But they are a force to be reckoned with because they are steering things. I guess a simple way to put it would be 'special interests', HUGE special interests.

Muhahahaha!  Dark, smokey, back room meetings!  Human sacrifice!  Satanic symbols!  The illuminati!  The masons!  The templar knights!

And people just brush off the UN as some sort of benificent organization because who would argue when they are being told it's 'for the children'? This is how propaganda can desensitize you to the real issue.

This is really quite amusing.  I don't need to "read up" on the UN to be against them.  I'll be at the flag burning, because I understand how bad they are without having to read their silly little website.

Everyone knows that when a local politician campaigns on the platform of ending poverty, hunger, disease, they are probably a redistributionist who wants to raise taxes and impose socialized medicine. Why can't you see that on the global level I can't understand.

I can see that.  The problem is clearly your lack of understanding.  Are you done yet?  

[FrankChodorov]

Is there any way to 'ignore' a topic and not have it show up in the 'Show unread posts...' list?

Ron, perhaps you can devote yourself to this nonsense instead:

http://forum.soulawakenings.com/index.php?topic=3368.0;topicseen

it is the christian anarchists who are misrepresenting Tolstoy...

Ron understands this very well...

[CNHT]

Muhahahaha!  Dark, smokey, back room meetings!  Human sacrifice!  Satanic symbols!  The illuminati!  The masons!  The templar knights!

I'm not sure what the above rant is about -- I have not implied this has anything to do with religion?

This is really quite amusing.  I don't need to "read up" on the UN to be against them.  I'll be at the flag burning, because I understand how bad they are without having to read their silly little website.

One can only hope that you understand....

I can see that.  The problem is clearly your lack of understanding.  Are you done yet?  

My lack of understanding about what? That my idea of limited gov't means you think I'm a racist? That is what came across clearly to me.

I have simply said that your ideas may not be realistic, and that you may not  be informed in all case, but that's all. But I have at least given reasons that do not include a personal attack on your character, such as calling you a paranoid racist.

[CNHT]

Hah!  It's clear that you don't know anything about what I'm doing.  Also, how many more time can you use "things" in one sentence?  Try expanding your vocabulary, Jane.  Maybe you should put down all those books about the UN and grab a dictionary.

It's a shame you can't argue ideas instead of resorting to insults...

If you believe in NO gov't then what the heck DO you talk about on your radio show?

Try asking one of the thousands of people who listen from around the world.  Perhaps ask Gardner Goldsmith, one of the talk hosts in NH that truly understands Liberty.  He's even smarter than I, you should give him a listen sometime.  (You'd never lower yourself to listening to drivel like FTL, after all, we're "standing in the way of people who want to change things"!) 

Hmmm - That's really funny! Give him a listen sometime? Gard is a dear friend of mine and one of my personal fans.

Didn't you say something about not responding to me until I read the UN website?  I didn't read it, so you know.

That's interesting. Because I would read anything to which you would refer me. I am at least open-minded and want to see all sides of things.

[FTL_Ian]

I think I've already apologized for the racist comment, yet you continue to harp on it and repeat yourself.

It's clear you don't understand what I'm doing for Liberty, and you can't understand why reading the UN's silly website is totally unnecessary, among other things.

Must we continue this?  It's clear we won't come to an agreement.  Since you're having trouble processing this, I'll repeat it AGAIN:  I don't think you're a racist.  But you are a protectionist.

[FTL_Ian]

Hmmm - That's really funny! Give him a listen sometime? Gard is a dear friend of mine and one of my personal fans.

Good.  Maybe you'll actually be able to understand the message if it comes from him, because he agrees with me on the borders.  How do I know?  I've been on his show every week, and we've discussed it more than once.

That's interesting. Because I would read anything to which you would refer me. I am at least open-minded and want to see all sides of things

Thanks, it's appreciated, but uncalled for.  Personally, I have limited reading time.

[CNHT]

Good.  Maybe you'll actually be able to understand the message if it comes from him, because he agrees with me on the borders.  How do I know?  I've been on his show every week, and we've discussed it more than once.

I know exactly what Gardner's position on the borders is and can have a discussion with him without being called a racist since he understands that the point is not whether we like or hate people but what the current situation is a symptom of in the bigger picture. I think you somehow lost sight of that point.

That's interesting. Because I would read anything to which you would refer me. I am at least open-minded and want to see all sides of things

Thanks, it's appreciated, but uncalled for.  Personally, I have limited reading time.

Obviously.

[CNHT]

I think I've already apologized for the racist comment, yet you continue to harp on it and repeat yourself.

It's clear you don't understand what I'm doing for Liberty, and you can't understand why reading the UN's silly website is totally unnecessary, among other things.

Must we continue this?  It's clear we won't come to an agreement.  Since you're having trouble processing this, I'll repeat it AGAIN:  I don't think you're a racist.  But you are a protectionist.

OK we'll leave it at that, trading one insult for another.  LOL
Yes I like to think I would 'protect' my individual liberty...just with a different view to how it would be done, how's that?

[Dreepa]

Personally, I have limited reading time.

But lots of time to post this stuff? ???

[Russell Kanning]

Is there any way to 'ignore' a topic and not have it show up in the 'Show unread posts...' list?

I go to the politics section and mark all as read, but I can't think of anything else.