FTL_Ian's Personal Attacks on CNHT

[Lex]

There are plenty of people saying that if you get rid of the Feds the UN will disappear or that the UN has no authority and is therefore not a threat...plenty of people have said as much! Just read any of the threads about the UN and you'll see a few who have said that.

I couldn't find anyone saying that the "UN is not a threat".

[CNHT]

There are plenty of people saying that if you get rid of the Feds the UN will disappear or that the UN has no authority and is therefore not a threat...plenty of people have said as much! Just read any of the threads about the UN and you'll see a few who have said that.

I couldn't find anyone saying that the "UN is not a threat".

They said the UN has no power or authority....well to *us* it doesn't but we do get ruled by it whether we know it or not, in so many ways. I especially was hit hard in the schools.

[Lex]

Nobody has said that the UN is not a threat.

[CNHT]

Nobody has said that the UN is not a threat.

Well they're not NOW after all that information has been posted.   ???

[Caleb]

CNHT,

The argument that illegals is compromising "our sovereignty", might only be a valid arguing point if you are arguing with people who want to defend U.S. Sovereignty.

I, for one, would like to see the U.S. shrink into history.  I'm not particularly interested in defending "U.S. Sovereignty".

I'm also not interested in any U.N. agenda to rule over me.  From my perspective, anyone who wants to tell me what to do can shove it up their ...

Other than U.S. sovereignty, do you have a reason why a friendly person who happens to have been born in a different place than me should not be able to walk on over and work for me or someone else or set up his own business and hire whomever he wishes?

Caleb

[CNHT]

CNHT,

The argument that illegals is compromising "our sovereignty", might only be a valid arguing point if you are arguing with people who want to defend U.S. Sovereignty.

I never said they were. I said the issue was being USED to get us to accept Real ID and defile not just our US sovereignty but our personal sovereignty.

I, for one, would like to see the U.S. shrink into history.  I'm not particularly interested in defending "U.S. Sovereignty".

And I think that means you are just enabling the nwo faster..but then a lot of people never even knew what this was about until a few weeks ago.

I'm also not interested in any U.N. agenda to rule over me.  From my perspective, anyone who wants to tell me what to do can shove it up their ...

Well I hope you have the ability to fend them off, really.

Other than U.S. sovereignty, do you have a reason why a friendly person who happens to have been born in a different place than me should not be able to walk on over and work for me or someone else or set up his own business and hire whomever he wishes?

Caleb

Nope, never said I did.

[Lex]

Nobody has said that the UN is not a threat.

Well they're not NOW after all that information has been posted.   ???

Huh? I don't get what you said.

My original question was if you could show me who said that the UN is not a threat because you keep trying to prove that the UN is a threat when everyone already agrees with you and you're starting to sound like that FrankChodorov guy...

The discussion is specifically about how opening the borders will bring about a one world government and NOT about whether we think the UN is bad or not. Even Ian has stated that he supports the UN flag burning! So, what gives? Why do you keep repeating the same thing over and over again? EVERYONE already agrees that the UN is bad!!!

What I want to know is how will opening the borders going to change anything in terms of the UN being a threat. How specifically would they be a larger threat to us if we open the borders as opposed to keeping them closed? That is what has been the central point of discussion and NOT whether the UN is bad or not. Are you following me?

[BillyC]

CNHT,


I, for one, would like to see the U.S. shrink into history.  I'm not particularly interested in defending "U.S. Sovereignty".

I'm also not interested in any U.N. agenda to rule over me.  From my perspective, anyone who wants to tell me what to do can shove it up their ...

Caleb

Then why are you here?
Do you really think the UN will give you any say in what they will do to you after the US has been dismantled?
Have you even read their Charter?
Do you have a fever?
Hello???

Sorry man, I like you Caleb don't mean to pick but I love this country and its better than anything I have seen, visited or read about.
If you think its really that bad then why stay?

[Caleb]

I love this country too.  By country, I mean I have a natural love of my homeland, my people, my family, my kindred.

I don't love any government, though.  Whether that government be called "U.N." or "U.S." or whatever.  To love a government is a pretty stupid thing.

As Washington said, "Government is not eloquence.  It is FORCE."  Why should I love an institution that forces people to do what it wants at the barrel of a gun?

[CNHT]

What I want to know is how will opening the borders going to change anything in terms of the UN being a threat. How specifically would they be a larger threat to us if we open the borders as opposed to keeping them closed? That is what has been the central point of discussion and NOT whether the UN is bad or not. Are you following me?

Yes but I did not say the people coming here were bad! I said, they have been stirred up (unlike the quiet immigrants who live in peace in NH) by the globalists who are funding the militant LaRaza and stuff to get folks upset and to demand Real ID, etc. The whole issue is being egged on so it can be used to gain what they want to homogenize the region...just like they got Vt to want to do...you know those old socialists from the 60s that Frank said were there?  

[Caleb]

I said, they have been stirred up (unlike the quiet immigrants who live in peace in NH) by the globalists who are funding the militant LaRaza and stuff to get folks upset and to demand Real ID

Then Jane, get upset at the RealID and those who want to foist it on us.

Not the people who are just trying to come here, work, and feed their families.  Who is your real enemy.  Just don't fall for the trap, and you'll be fine.

There IS some truth to what you say.  I was reading USA Today and they have a series called "Common Ground" where a liberal and a conservative are agreeing on something.  A few weeks back, they were agreeing that the best way to fight immigration was to have biometric identifiers on the populace.   

Funny because no REAL conservative OR Liberal would agree.  The real common ground is that both liberals and conservatives know that is a terrible idea!  But they are trying to force that agenda.

But they will use ANYTHING they can to try to push their agenda on us.  The thing to do is just not fall for it.  I think people play into their hands when they start agreeing with them that "illegals" are a problem.  If you think like I do:  namely, that there is no problem, then you won't fall for a "solution" to a problem that doesn't exist.

Caleb

[Lex]

Then why are you here?
Do you really think the UN will give you any say in what they will do to you after the US has been dismantled?
Have you even read their Charter?
Do you have a fever?
Hello???

Sorry man, I like you Caleb don't mean to pick but I love this country and its better than anything I have seen, visited or read about.
If you think its really that bad then why stay?

How come you didn't respond with:

You are right arguing with a fool who has no allegiance to this country is not even worth it.
You are an enemy of the people of this country.
I love this country,  Its mine.
It was stolen from my family by people like you once and I will not willingly let it happen again.

Or do you leave the nice words for the immigrants?

Bigot.

[CNHT]

I love this country too.  By country, I mean I have a natural love of my homeland, my people, my family, my kindred.

I don't love any government, though.  Whether that government be called "U.N." or "U.S." or whatever.  To love a government is a pretty stupid thing.

As Washington said, "Government is not eloquence.  It is FORCE."  Why should I love an institution that forces people to do what it wants at the barrel of a gun?

Agreed. So why are you so willing to let the UN speed up the taking over of the US if you love it so much? The rest of us love it and want it to be a place of refuge. Did you know the UN now owns/runs the STATUE OF LIBERTY? Sick!!!

On their website they have declared that any site deemed a World Heritage Site belongs to the 'world' and not to any one country.
If you don't take offense to that, and at least let it realize the danger, then I give up on trying to educate you.

UN Goals:

1 - Socialize and control health care and education
2 - Equalize economies/divide the wealth
3 - Erase borders and redraw the dividing lines into regions
4 - Ban all ideologies and have the 'state' be the only thing to which you owe your allegiance in order to supposedly prevent war
5 - Mark you and everything else in the universe including registering and taxing space vehicles

..and more

[Lex]

So why are you so willing to let the UN speed up the taking over of the US if you love it so much?

How is calibaba77 willing to let the the UN take over?!?!  ???

[Caleb]

Jane, I despise the U.N. too.  I have no intention of falling for any of their schemes.

Saying the U.N. is bad doesn't make the U.S. good.

Or is it just incovenient to remember all the innocent people whose lives have been destroyed by the U.S. just in the past few decades?

Government is about power.  It is about control.  It isn't about morality and justice.

It is a contradiction in terms to think that any government can be a "refuge".