FTL_Ian's Personal Attacks on CNHT

[CNHT]

The whole point, once more for the hard of hearing is, this whole immigration thing/violence on the border is being used by globalists to stir people up to  accept Real ID, stricter controls, or open borders...all of which will get them where they want.

That is true so we should open the border 

When I say 'get them where they want' I'm talking about the UN/Globalists.....I hope you aren't advocating that?

[CNHT]

CNHT:

You seem to never answer direct questions from Lex, Caleb, or myself, and just drone about how "we're falling for it", the UN, etc.  I'll ask again just for fun.  How EXACTLY would the UN be a problem if we set NH totally free of federal control and opened the borders?  Please enumerate your points.

Because you never seem to talk about the same issue?

[CNHT]

Those that do want to take land and evict owners ... well, I don't think that's right.  Like Lex said, if all they are doing is TALKING, well, last time I checked free speech is ok. (Pending the outcome of Russell and Kat's trial).  If they are actually trying to actually steal land and evict people ... well, that is a crime, no matter who does it, (although the Supreme Court thinks its okay if municipalities do it, but that's another matter.)

It strikes me as a bit ubsurd that Jane think thinks she can trust the U.S. government to defend us from having our property stolen from us.

Tracy

Tracy I find it absurd that you would say that I implied that at all! I have simply said that no one should have their property stolen from them no matter who it's from, and especially not in the name of 'liberty' because it's certainly not liberty for them...

The double standard here is amazing.

[CNHT]

Yes, it's quite the fantasy, isn't it?  Just like her fantasy that the UN could take over an armed, free state.   

Well there you go again, basing a whole conversation on something I never said!

Have a ball..outdo yourselves with your wack-job ideas, and I suppose you won't screw us up too much here in NH because according to you, we should just sit back and let it happen.

[CNHT]

Yes, it's quite the fantasy, isn't it?  Just like her fantasy that the UN could take over an armed, free state.   

Actually if you studied up on it just a little bit, the UN has actually taken over much of what we do here in the US...it's just that you have not lived long enough to see the change, it's what you're used to.

One of the goals of the UN is to disarm...I wonder why? They hate states like NH where we put that as top priority.

I can't see how you can fight against the threat of evil, control, and gov't if you don't think there is a threat to begin with.
I am satisfied that enough other people do know......

[CNHT]

open borders promotes the UN, in that it makes what they are trying to do..."Global Government"
that much easier to achieve.

THANK YOU!

But if they don't know/understand how the UN works, or what their goals are, or how far-reaching their power and influence is, they would not understand this.

I guess you have to have lived in the hey-day of America to understand it all.

This is akin to saying, "I would love it if all the people in my town were trustworthy, so based on that utopian idea, I think I will never lock my doors and see if my property is safe".  What we wish to be and what really is are two different things.

It's called REALITY.

The UN can't wait for people to give up their countries to them....

[CNHT]

You guys are missing the point ....  It's incremental...no one is going to take anything now...but given time...real id, un resolutions disarm citizens, little by little...

Just look at the uk, first the guns, now the knives...etc...

Hitler didn't get up one morning and throw people on trains, he did it small steps at a time, that is what the UN is doing and the US is apart of that.

Well one minute Ian is saying he recognizes the threat, now he is calling it a 'fantasy'.
There are many many high profile, intelligent people who make it their life's work to track the UN and globalism so I doubt it's a fantasy, conspiracy or anything else but fact. And it's true that it's incremental and a lot of the changes that people were born with, are not changes to them...

But I know old folks like me and Alan have seen it. I know that it surely hit the schools badly and turned things upside down. One of the phrases used to describe it was 'dumbing down'. Well think of this in terms of the liberty of this country -- the UN is dumbing us down with regard to our freedoms, the economy, etc..

[AlanM]

The whole issue of immigration is being used by the UN/NWO to drive wedges between people who oppose them.
How does eliminating borders/countries help them take control? It is much easier to control a government than myriad, sovereign individuals.

[CNHT]

In my case, I vehemently oppose the UN, but I am not about to allow my opposition to them force me into a decision to stop eating oranges.

I understand what you are saying Alan, but, consider that the immigration issue is being STIRRED UP to be an issue of violence when our side could simply could just allow them all into the country and make it easier to settle here, since ultimately they are not doing anything to return them are they? They are using the conflict to sell Real ID, world government laws, etc etc..and more socialized health care programs to cover all the poor who can't find a job out of season. They are letting them do just what open border advocates want, while at the same time stirring up the masses on it with the violence even to the point of funding it.

If they are not using this issue, why can't they just let people come across, and join in the normal functions that those born here participate in? Why are they funding the radicals like LaRaza???

THIS IS THE POINT we are dealing with...and letting this 'conflict' go on is to drag all the 90% of the rest of the stupid masses into the stuff we know we don't want.

[CNHT]

Also, they may have an incentive to keep us around. One day they may want to retire somewhere safe... and just like nobody can beat Switzerlands private banks nobody will be able to beat New Hampshires private security and military.

Switzerland was created by the Illuminati as a safe haven for their wealth throughout several centuries of planned chaos. A staunchly independent Switzerland no longer serves their purposes, so you are seeing the beginnings of its dismantling. Likewise, the US has served several important purposes in their plans. It will now also be dismantled.

Hmm, the shadow government wants the US dismantled.

Caleb, Alex and Ian want to see it dismantled.

Hmmm...........

[tracysaboe]

You guys are missing the point ....  It's incremental...no one is going to take anything now...but given time...real id, un resolutions disarm citizens, little by little...

Just look at the uk, first the guns, now the knives...etc...

Hitler didn't get up one morning and throw people on trains, he did it small steps at a time, that is what the UN is doing and the US is apart of that.

But see that's why we're seceding 

Tracy

[AlanM]

Also, they may have an incentive to keep us around. One day they may want to retire somewhere safe... and just like nobody can beat Switzerlands private banks nobody will be able to beat New Hampshires private security and military.

Switzerland was created by the Illuminati as a safe haven for their wealth throughout several centuries of planned chaos. A staunchly independent Switzerland no longer serves their purposes, so you are seeing the beginnings of its dismantling. Likewise, the US has served several important purposes in their plans. It will now also be dismantled.

I agree that the US is in the process of being destroyed/dismantled by the NWO. We cannot stop it. We do not have the power to save the whole US. It is time to make preparations for the destruction, rather than wasting time and effort attempting to save the unsaveable.

[CNHT]

But see that's why we're seceding 

I think we have all personally 'seceded' but we can't have a blind eye to what is going on around us.
Otherwise it's like putting your hands up in the air and saying 'take me'.

[tracysaboe]

Those that do want to take land and evict owners ... well, I don't think that's right.  Like Lex said, if all they are doing is TALKING, well, last time I checked free speech is ok. (Pending the outcome of Russell and Kat's trial).  If they are actually trying to actually steal land and evict people ... well, that is a crime, no matter who does it, (although the Supreme Court thinks its okay if municipalities do it, but that's another matter.)

It strikes me as a bit ubsurd that Jane think thinks she can trust the U.S. government to defend us from having our property stolen from us.

Tracy

Tracy I find it absurd that you would say that I implied that at all! I have simply said that no one should have their property stolen from them no matter who it's from, and especially not in the name of 'liberty' because it's certainly not liberty for them...

The double standard here is amazing.

Well, I know what you did say. You want the federal government to protect us from immigrants who want to remove us from our land. That just strikes me a little strange -- considering the conistancy of our current federal government in protecting us from anything.

Don't attack me here. I've been one of the few people on this forum that have been consistantly defending you about this issue and trying to find common ground. If you don't believe me, look back through this thread -- or the Mexico imigration worker thread.  Personally I don't believe in open boarders, for reason's that I've previously mentioned on these forums. Indeed, look back through this thread.

But I'm sorry, you're reasons just don't make sense to me. It also seems like you're a bit hypersensitive and seeing personal attacks where their aren't any.

Tracy

[AlanM]

Hmm, the shadow government wants the US dismantled.

Caleb, Alex and Ian want to see it dismantled.

Hmmm...........

Well, to be fair, I think we can all agree that Caleb, Alex (do you mean Alan and Lex?), and Ian want to see it dismantled for different reasons than the globalists do. I think you do have a good point, though, that once the globalists destroy the US it will be replaced with something worse. Or at least that's the way things seem to be going.

Precisely. The Government is controlled by the NWO. The elections and the courts are rigged and meaningless. Our only hope is to tear it all down, (or assist), and start again.