Business Owners: Pledge to Stop Withholding!

[Tunga]

"It somehow feels like a right that I don't owe anybody money that I earn unless I agree to owe it to them in exchange for something. That just seems like a right to me." - Aries

Right you are Aries, Tunga felt the exact same way and while it took him 25 years to figure out how he was being defrauded he always and he means always  signed, affixed, labeled, sealed any important legally binding contract with his name and the words "ALL RIGHTS RESERVED WITHOUT PREJUDICE".

If you too do this one simple thing, when the time comes for you to recognize your unalienable rights you'll at least have a leg to stand on. Legally speaking of course.

Ian, Tunga has had help deciphering the code. He has not read all of it. It's a monstrosity designed to obfuscate and obliterate the truth that Aries "just knows".

[Gabo]

Know the code?  No thanks.  I have a life that I'd rather not spend reading legalese.

If you don't know the code, you won't know how to say no to it.
Ian, I very much understand the way you think, because that's exactly how I used to think.
The problem is that people continue to consent to oppression because they don't even realize they are consenting.

For instance, it makes perfect sense that you shouldn't need a license to drive.  But signing a paper agreeing to have one, and then later denouncing that agreement, is a violation of contract.
The same goes for taxes.  Everyone signs their tax forms each year, and sends them in all on their own.  It is a breach of contract, however, when people sign all the forms and then later say they did not consent.


If you do not wish to live under tyranny, then don't sign up for it!

[Gabo]

It somehow feels like a right that I don't owe anybody money that I earn unless I agree to owe it to them in exchange for something. That just seems like a right to me.

That is entirely true.  You owe nobody money unless you contract to it.
Yet every year when you sign your tax forms, license forms, etc. etc. you are doing just that.
You are giving your consent to the administration, giving it power over you.

If there was another constitutional amendment that said we had the right to take other people's money on a whim, would that really be our right?

Such a constitutional amendment is unlawful.
It violates previous amendments and rights, and is entirely out of Congress's allotted power.

Any amendments passed unlawfully are null and void, unless of course you grant them power over you.

[FTL_Ian]

Government was allegedly created by "the people".  If I participate in their system, I am part creator.  If you're claiming that signing an income tax form without a full meeting of the minds creates an obligation to pay for life, I must respectfully disagree.

If "we" are truly above government, and they are our servants, then let it be known.

If government is a group of strangers with guns, badges, and paperwork, then let that be revealed for all to see.

[Russell Kanning]

That is why some of us don't sign tax forms. You don't have to "know the code" to not sign a form.... just ignore them.
I don't have to know any of the rules in a communist country to not go along with it.

[Gabo]

Government was allegedly created by "the people".  If I participate in their system, I am part creator.  If you're claiming that signing an income tax form without a full meeting of the minds creates an obligation to pay for life, I must respectfully disagree.

Continually signing their forms is what continues the obligation.

While it is not impossible, it is much more difficult to say no after saying yes, because they already have all your information, and they think you cave in to their system.

If "we" are truly above government, and they are our servants, then let it be known.

If government is a group of strangers with guns, badges, and paperwork, then let that be revealed for all to see.

I don't disagree at all.

But if we wish to bite the hand of government, we must stop eating from it first.

That is why some of us don't sign tax forms. You don't have to "know the code" to not sign a form.... just ignore them.

But without knowing at least a few things about it, you won't know what to do, or more specifically what NOT to do when the thugs show up looking to take you in.

Surprisingly, Lauren Canario hit on the right thing when she was arrested.
As you might remember, the "officials" began to panic and lower her penalties because she wouldnt ENTER a plea.
Notice that SHE is the one who had to enter it.  They could not just do it for her.
If she had continued to wait and refuse to contract with the courts, they would have let her go.


This is because all victimless crimes utilize the equity courts (the three types of law, as stated by the constitution, are common law, equity law, and maritime law) which are courts dealing with contract law.  Contract law is PRIVATE LAW.

If some "law" the government creates has to do with a privelage, then it is a private law.
Interestingly, the word "privelage" itself comes from the latin roots meaning private law.

[PowerPenguin]

I get screwed w/ Socialist Security and Medi[don't]care all the time. However,  I always try to do 1-on-1 business with pro-freedom sellers, so this reclaims a small fraction of the expense at least. I don't have a business yet (thus I didn't sign), but as soon as I do, and have employees, I will. I get takings taken at my current work, but they are quite high profile and pro liberty, and are thus probably walking on thin ice as it is (Ian knows what I'm talking about). That said, I guess I'll be taking one for the team as it were with this one. For my summer job though, whatever it ends up being, I'll at least ask to get all my $, and maybe get lucky who knows.

[Tunga]

Gabo it sure sounds to Tunga that you have a pretty good grasp of the situation re the IRS vs the People of the USA.

Have you ever seen on the web a piece by Alan Freeman entitled AN INVESTIGATION INTO THE MEANING OF THE TERM ?UNITED STATES??

It is long but informative.

[Tunga]

Here is a copy of the letter Tunga sent via certified mail to the head of the IRS.

September  2003


Mark W. Everson 
United States Government - Internal Revenue Service
1111 Constitution Avenue Northwest
Washington, DC  20224

Dear Mr. Everson,

I am writing this inquiry to you in order that information regarding an American Citizens? obligation to pay taxes can be more clearly understood.

For instance, in Coppage v. Kansas, 236 U.S. 1, 14 (1914), the US supreme Court declared that, "The principle is fundamental and vital. Included in the right of personal liberty and the right of private property --partaking of the nature of each-- is the right to make contracts for the acquisition of property. Chief among such contracts is that of personal employment, by which labor and other services are exchanged for money or other forms of property."

And in Adair v. United States, 208 U.S. 161, 172, the US supreme Court ruled that: "Such liberty and right embraces the right to make contracts for the purchase of the labor of others and equally the right to make contracts for the sale of one's own labor."

And finally, in Butcher's Union Co., v. Crescent City Co., 111 U.S. 746, 757, the US supreme Court ruled that, "It has been well said that, "The property which every man has in his own labor, as it is the original foundation of all other property, so it is the most sacred and inviolable."

I would be greatly appreciative if you could identify  what specific, enacted statute imposes a legal liability on American Citizens that live and work inside one of the 50 states to pay income taxes.

Thank you very much,

Tunga                                                                                 

                                                                                                           
All Rights Reserved Without Prejudice. UCC207.7

[Tunga]

Tunga's consultant told him that:


In U.S. v. Bishop, the US supreme Court has ruled that when a person relies upon a US supreme Court decision to sustain a position, then they lack the willfulness to commit a crime or violate a law. So, when ya rely upon US supreme Court opinions against the IRS, then it is highly unlikely that they will seek to indict you because the DOJ will conclude that they are unable to prove that you acted willfully.

Also, in US v. Mason, the US supreme Court said that a person has a fundamental right to rely upon the decisions of the supreme Court and to not be needlessly penalized for doing so.

Tunga has never found any inconsistancies in any of the statements or information provided by his consultant.

(And Tunga has looked for those inconsistancies in more than one place.)

[Tunga]

Here is the text of the form letter Tunga recieved (twice in one year separated by 6 months time) transcribed with OCR (Optical Character Recognition) software.

Dear Taxpayer(s):

Department of the Treasury

Taxpayer Identification Number: 666-00-003
Form: Tax Year(s):

Person to Contact: DENNIS PARIZEK

Employee Identification Number: 29-61699

Contact Telephone Number: (866) 899-9083

Contact Fax Number:

Contact Hours: 7:00 am - 3:30 pm Mountain Time

This is in reply to your recent correspondence

Federal tax laws are passed by Congress and signed by the President. The Internal Revenue Service is responsible for administering federal tax laws fairly and ensuring that taxpayers comply with the laws. We do not have authority to change the laws.

The Internal Revenue Service strives to collect the proper amount of revenues at the least cost to the public, and in a manner that warrants the highest degree of public confidence in our integrity, efficiency, and fairness. In accomplishing this, we continually strive to-help taxpayers resolve legitimate account problems as effectively as possible. While tax collection is not a popular function of government, it clearly is a necessary one. Without it all other functions would eventually cease.

There are people who encourage others to deliberately violate our nation's tax laws. It would be unfortunate if you were to rely on their opinions. These persons take legal statements out of context and claim that they are not subject to tax laws. Many offer advice that is false and misleading, hoping to encourage others to join them. Generally, their advice isn't free. Taxpayers who purchase this kind of information often wind up paying more in taxes, interest, and penalties than they would have paid simply by filing correct tax returns. Some may subject themselves to criminal penalties, including finesfa-nd possible imprisonment.

Federal courts have consistently ruled against the arguments you have made. Therefore, we will not respond to future correspondence concerning these issues.

II

Sinceiely yours,
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Operation@ ManageIr Exam SC Support

Letter 3175 (SC) (Rev. 2-1099) Cat. No. 26859J

[Tunga]

Does it seem strange to you that the IRS chooses to state that Tunga has made arguments regarding the decisions of this nations highest court being false when all he has done is asked a simple question reletive to a few STANDING US Supreme Court decisions?

It sure does to Tunga.

In the eventuality that the IRS does not come to it's sences in realizing that the Non Resident Alien that they are dealing with is just visiting this planet, Tunga has already made his case on paper in black and white.

What part of Live free or Die does the one world bank not understand?

[dead_hobbit]

Isn't there a way to legally have the government withhold NOTHING from your paychecks?

[Tunga]

Isn't there a way to legally have the government withhold NOTHING from your paychecks?

See post #9 on this thread dead.

[dead_hobbit]

Eh, wouldn't I be considered "a US person"?

As long as your business doesn't involve the Feds or you don't work for them you don't owe them anything.

The Treasury Dept. has a form on it's website called the W-8 BEN. This is the form you should use in lieu of a W-2 if you want all of your remuneration delivered to you with every paycheck.

A National of the USA is a state sovereign not a 14th Amendment subject of the District of Columbia.

That makes you a "disreguarded entity" as far as the IRS is concerned.

The Treaty of Paris named New Hampshire as a "Free an Independent State".

Relative to the United States, New Hampshire is a "Country" unto itself.

Anyone born within the bounds of a Union state (but not on federal property like a military base) to American parents can claim status as a National of the USA.


Just curious Intergraph19 but does your Interweb handle refer to the large corporation of the same name?