New England Secession

[Gray]

New England Confederation Alliance

This is an online resource that consolidates websites, blogs, and forums that advocates state sovereignty for the New England states.

It's still under development.  So, more is still being added.

But, what do you think so far?  Any suggestions?

[Dreepa]

Good to see the Pine Tree flag, Gray. Which state are you in?

Massachusetts.

Come north about an hour or two...

[Gray]

Good to see the Pine Tree flag, Gray. Which state are you in?

Massachusetts.

Come north about an hour or two...

I've considered moving to Vermont.    I'll see how the movement there transpires.  (I only live 3 minutes from Vermont)

[FrankChodorov]

Good to see the Pine Tree flag, Gray. Which state are you in?

Massachusetts.

Come north about an hour or two...

I've considered moving to Vermont.    I'll see how the movement there transpires.  (I only live 3 minutes from Vermont)

no one from the 2nd VT republic has been invited to this conference...

[Dreepa]

no one from the 2nd VT republic has been invited to this conference...

consider yourself invited.

[Tom Sawyer]

the 2nd VT republic

The direct democracy plank is a little scary... how will the will of the people be prevented from becoming mob rule against the rights of the individual?

If 90 percent vote to take my land is that just?

Plus who's the dude on the horse?

[fourthgeek]

Ultimately no piece of paper can stop tyrrany. More often than not, the paper is reinterpreted to mean whatever one wants, and justifies exactly what it was intended not to create.

While I like the idea of a functioning anarchy, I think it requires a transition period. Otherwise it might "shock the system" too much. Carefully crafted chaos, you could call it.

1. minarchy
2. end government monopoly on judicial hearings
3. end government monopoly on law enforcement
4. allow people to opt-out of government laws
5. end government

If the US broke out into anarchy today, there would be no private law or private law enforcement. If we give these things some time to develop, though, it might just work. I'm skeptical that it would work, but I think we should try to give it a chance.

In order to make this progression, you have to be an independent state, for without a state government there is no confederacy to be made. Of course, conglomerating our gvts is even worse.

[FrankChodorov]

the 2nd VT republic

The direct democracy plank is a little scary... how will the will of the people be prevented from becoming mob rule against the rights of the individual?

If 90 percent vote to take my land is that just?

Plus who's the dude on the horse?

direct democracy is only to be feared if there is no deliberative body to mitigate against media manipulation...in the case of town meeting (a deliberative body) you act as a citizen legislator.

of course you have the VT constitution and bill of rights too...

Ethan Allen is the dude on the horse....the leader of the Green Mountain Boys.

[Dreepa]

Ok so the town 99-1 votes to take your land... same thing.  Different govt.

[fourthgeek]

What is popular is ALWAYS right!

[FrankChodorov]

Ok so the town 99-1 votes to take your land... same thing.  Different govt.

I believe the VT constitution and bill of rights covers that issue...

[Tom Sawyer]

Thanks for your answer.

Ethan Allen is definitely cool with me (of course I didn't realize they had color photography back in his day )

[Riflemanshoots]

I support the movement to secede from the Washington,Deceit corporate cesspool.