Republic of NH

[Atlas]

Or, is the name of the game just to not look like conspiracy theorists? If there is no justice, how can we ever have liberty?

[FTL_Ian]

Because I don't believe in Chemtrails.

Good to know, cause unlike the 9/11 allegations, there's not a shred of truth to Chemtrails, it's total kook paranoia!

http://freetalklive.com/files/FTLpromokooktrails.mp3

[tracysaboe]

Caleb when did you become a Bonhoffer fan 


TRacy

[BOVER]

9-11 is one of the few issues with the power to change people's mind about secession ...

Why would I take down something so powerful?

Because it will turn off a lot of people who would otherwise might entertain the idea of secession.

For example, you could put religious stuff up there too.  But then you lose all the people who don't agree with your religous views.  Because the more issues you include, the more people you exlude. 

[FTL_Ian]

Well said, Bover.  Keep it simple!

I say just link here, then they can discover all kinds of things on their own volition.

[John]

I'd start with we (NH) are (and have always been) an independant republic.
We have every right to be independent; and of right ought to be.

[aoco]

I'm new to these forums ala FSP linking and I have been reading over this thread for a while. I do not live in NH but would consider a move if secession were to become likely. 

1) You will be dealing with alot of people with a lot of questions and it would serve the best purpose to have answers. To another poster's point of keeping it simple to avoid over-exclusion, I would agree. Create a high level document citing the reasons and purpose, then link deeper into the topics.

2) When linking deeper into the issue from the "overview", you are really going to need to flesh out some details. First, there is no description of how or why the state exists - if we are talking a libertarian government, people need to know, what is the government for? What services does the government provide? What common things are still going to be handled by the government? I noticed "Roads" was on subtopic, but what about other services such as managing passports?

3) NH citizens been paying into social security for years... what will happen to all that money pumped into social security? To this I offer the suggestion that NH not pay the federal government for any of the roads but rather social security benefits lost in the secession (because the fed will never cough up that money) be used as the means for securing the highways through NH. It would be a touchy issue but SS must be considered as I am sure that there are many in NH who depend on Social Security checks. In the privatization of the highway system, in lieu of paying the constiuents directly, they would be given shares in the private organizations created. This is why I like the investment vehicles called REITs or Real Estate Investment Trusts which are required to return all profits to shareholders in a given reporting period.

4) Stock exchange - how fluid will it be to move money into and out of the ROUS (rest of US) markets? Will NH develop an exchange for NH businesses to raise capital?

5) A free standing citizen militia is a great idea with the exception being that with the advanced nature of today's militaries, I think it is a bit short-sighted to have an untrained citizen militia. For the common good (dirty words, I know) it would serve better purpose that in order to have a free-standing citizen militia that there be some form of free, at-will organization and training provided to the citizens on a regular basis to ensure preparedness in the event of need of a military. Even guerilla warfare uses loose forms of organization to accomplish a task. liberal gun rights will not ensure safety.

6) The exiling of Maine - looking at a map of the US, I can't help but notice that Maine will be cut off from her country and this will present problems for not only Maine but the US as well.

7) Airspace constraints - how will NH work with airlines to ensure a workable solution to integrate flights in and out of NH? Will NH have an international airport for citizens?

Governments can be useful in providing some programs or incentives for development. While I'm sure there is plenty of space in NH for growth, programs such as an "up not out" program would help to keep cities condensed. This would help in a way to ensure that certain municipal functions such as water and sewage can be effectively managed in a given space. In some instances, it would be difficult to privatize sewage and water treatment without giving some business a neo-monopoly within a municipality.

9) No income taxes - great idea but how will the new republic fund limited state services? Will it be done through property taxes? Sales tax?

10) Passports are nothing unique to the US as you well know. Some form of passport system will need to be developed. I would say, in lieu of a state ID or diver's license, bundle the license and the passport into a single document. One fee and that is all.

11) International support - While the UN is a bad thing, gaining enough movement to gain international support will be difficult. We're talking about taking on the world's largest superpower. Our earliest government had international support from France which played a pivotal part in organizing our military into a more effective machine.

12) Expelling  the federal government from NH - this will be difficult as there are probably many NH residents who are employed by the fed and there are branches of the IRS, FBI and other federal organizations that would have to be expelled or given the offer to stay contingent they leave their positions in the federal government....

Maybe I'm over thinking it but this is just my input.... I'm not trying to flame or anything but wanted to give something to the topic.

[Caleb]

Great questions!

I would say we could add these to the list of faqs, and I'll try to work on them myself, or someone else can.

The basic document is the Declaration of Independence.  I'm having that worked on right now by a friend of mine, and hopefully others will volunteer to tweak it to.  I'd like to then have a document which documents the evidence for the basic charges.

Tracey's platform addresses some of the main benefits

Obviously, there will be problems.  One of them, from my perspective, is how to handle the currency issue.  I don't think that we necessarily need the government to back the currency; in fact, that would be a short-sighted answer, because governments have a long history of destroying their currencies.  But what we will need is leadership on this issue.  Someone needs to step forward with a concrete plan - and it does no good to simply say, "We'll use gold and silver."  That may, indeed, be a legitimate answer, but to convince people, you need to show them the "how".  A generic answer won't work, we'll need specific answers to specific problems.  Although the FAQs might be good for addressing these issues, it wouldn't hurt to work on a document that can go into detail.

I'm also working on a document right now to explain why secession is the ONLY answer (as opposed to simply reforming the current system).

This project involves anyone who wants to join.  I'm not the dictator here; I just own the website, but I'll go along with what the majority think.

My personal opinion is that 9-11 is one of the major themes that will actually make independence happen, once it works its way into the national consciousness.  It is slowly becoming mainstream, and my personal opinion is that 9-11 raises a question that no one is really answering:  IF the government did this to us, what do we do?  If we are able to meet that with a definite plan of action (namely, dissolving the Union, or individual state secession) then by default our response becomes inevitably linked with the issue.  When people think "9-11" I want them to also think "secession".

At any rate, just my thoughts ...

Caleb

[tracysaboe]

I'm new to these forums ala FSP linking and I have been reading over this thread for a while. I do not live in NH but would consider a move if secession were to become likely. 

1) You will be dealing with alot of people with a lot of questions and it would serve the best purpose to have answers. To another poster's point of keeping it simple to avoid over-exclusion, I would agree. Create a high level document citing the reasons and purpose, then link deeper into the topics.

2) When linking deeper into the issue from the "overview", you are really going to need to flesh out some details. First, there is no description of how or why the state exists - if we are talking a libertarian government, people need to know, what is the government for? What services does the government provide? What common things are still going to be handled by the government? I noticed "Roads" was on subtopic, but what about other services such as managing passports?

3) NH citizens been paying into social security for years... what will happen to all that money pumped into social security? To this I offer the suggestion that NH not pay the federal government for any of the roads but rather social security benefits lost in the secession (because the fed will never cough up that money) be used as the means for securing the highways through NH. It would be a touchy issue but SS must be considered as I am sure that there are many in NH who depend on Social Security checks. In the privatization of the highway system, in lieu of paying the constiuents directly, they would be given shares in the private organizations created. This is why I like the investment vehicles called REITs or Real Estate Investment Trusts which are required to return all profits to shareholders in a given reporting period.

4) Stock exchange - how fluid will it be to move money into and out of the ROUS (rest of US) markets? Will NH develop an exchange for NH businesses to raise capital?

5) A free standing citizen militia is a great idea with the exception being that with the advanced nature of today's militaries, I think it is a bit short-sighted to have an untrained citizen militia. For the common good (dirty words, I know) it would serve better purpose that in order to have a free-standing citizen militia that there be some form of free, at-will organization and training provided to the citizens on a regular basis to ensure preparedness in the event of need of a military. Even guerilla warfare uses loose forms of organization to accomplish a task. liberal gun rights will not ensure safety.

6) The exiling of Maine - looking at a map of the US, I can't help but notice that Maine will be cut off from her country and this will present problems for not only Maine but the US as well.

7) Airspace constraints - how will NH work with airlines to ensure a workable solution to integrate flights in and out of NH? Will NH have an international airport for citizens?

Governments can be useful in providing some programs or incentives for development. While I'm sure there is plenty of space in NH for growth, programs such as an "up not out" program would help to keep cities condensed. This would help in a way to ensure that certain municipal functions such as water and sewage can be effectively managed in a given space. In some instances, it would be difficult to privatize sewage and water treatment without giving some business a neo-monopoly within a municipality.

9) No income taxes - great idea but how will the new republic fund limited state services? Will it be done through property taxes? Sales tax?

10) Passports are nothing unique to the US as you well know. Some form of passport system will need to be developed. I would say, in lieu of a state ID or diver's license, bundle the license and the passport into a single document. One fee and that is all.

11) International support - While the UN is a bad thing, gaining enough movement to gain international support will be difficult. We're talking about taking on the world's largest superpower. Our earliest government had international support from France which played a pivotal part in organizing our military into a more effective machine.

12) Expelling  the federal government from NH - this will be difficult as there are probably many NH residents who are employed by the fed and there are branches of the IRS, FBI and other federal organizations that would have to be expelled or given the offer to stay contingent they leave their positions in the federal government....

Maybe I'm over thinking it but this is just my input.... I'm not trying to flame or anything but wanted to give something to the topic.

Thanks for the FAQs

Regarding Taxes. The NH government is already bloated. And it doesn't need to take over any of the Federal government functions. So why would it need any more money or need any different taxes besidees what it already has?

I'm going to go through and try to answer these as detailed as possible -- from an Austro-libertarian framework.

Regarding Guns and private militias. Private militias would be allowed to have anti-aircraft missiles, and all the same types of weapons that modern "government" soldiers have now. 

Perhaps people would need to be educated about the "Myth of national Defence"

Plus New Hampshire would still have it's State Police.

Tracy

[KBCraig]

I'm new to these forums ala FSP linking and I have been reading over this thread for a while. I do not live in NH but would consider a move if secession were to become likely.

Would you move if you could help secession become a reality? Please do!

And, welcome to the underground! Let me give you your first karma point, for your first post. 

This isn't really my thread (nor even my goal), but I'll chime in on a few of the questions you list.

3) NH citizens been paying into social security for years... what will happen to all that money pumped into social security?

The same thing that will happen to the SS money of anyone more than 20 year from retirement: it will not exist. I'm 43. I do not plan on having SS when I retire.

5) A free standing citizen militia is a great idea with the exception being that with the advanced nature of today's militaries, I think it is a bit short-sighted to have an untrained citizen militia.

When people realize they are responsible for their own defense (both personal self defense, and defense of their neighbors), there will be a reawakening of interest in serious militia training.

6) The exiling of Maine - looking at a map of the US, I can't help but notice that Maine will be cut off from her country and this will present problems for not only Maine but the US as well.

You mean like Alaska or Hawaii? Or some of the Great Lakes communities that are only accessible from Canada? Or Puerto Rico, USVI, Northern Marianna Islands, etc.?

They seem to survive just fine.

Thanks, you've given very good input. I hope you'll stick around and participate in the forum. And move to NH! We need more people who can think this way!

Kevin

[FrankChodorov]

6) The exiling of Maine - looking at a map of the US, I can't help but notice that Maine will be cut off from her country and this will present problems for not only Maine but the US as well.

the Second Vermont Republic wants to confederate with NH, Maine and the Canadian Maritimes to form a new country the size of Denmark that acts like the Swiss Canton system & original articles of confederation except that the locus of power would be at the municipal level similar also to the city/state notion & Jeffersonian ward republicanism.

[tracysaboe]

Well, we don't want to. We want to be completely independent. We don't care to be confederated with socialist countries like Vermont or the Canada Maritimes.

Main can do what it wants. If it wants to secede and confederate with you and Canada, fine. If it wants to stay part of the US, fine. If it wants to secede and be it's own independent country that would be wonderful. It doesn't matter. Regardless, whatever they decide to do, it won't make a whole lot of difference as far as NH secession is concerned.

Tracy

[FrankChodorov]

Well, we don't want to

you mean you don't want to right?

I didn't know you were speaking for the group...I thought libertarians didn't believe in "groups"?

[tracysaboe]

you're a moron Bill.

Caleb, myself, Russle, etc. and the rest of the people organizing this Republic of New Hampshire don't want too.

Those are all individuals.

Go get a brain, and quit looking for straw men where there aren't any.

Tracy

[aoco]

Sorry to respond so late, I've been out of town on some business... I have about another year and a half of school and unfortunately, I really am not in a position of jumping ship just yet... I've got a great job with a decent company and I need to finish the degree so I would have a greater chance of making close to what I'm making now. But I'm getting itchy as Omaha (where I live) is on the brink of passing anti-smoking laws and there is nothing to stop it. It just brought to mind that we are living exactly what John Stuart Mills described as a Tyranny of the Majority.

Once I finish my degree, I am looking at the northeast for grad school... maybe dartmouth if I can muster the cash and test scores....