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Re: ATF headed for Brown's 6/7
« Reply #3600 on: June 11, 2007, 01:50 PM NHFT »
I think his blog has been ceased and deceased?
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Re: What to do when the feds raid the Browns
« Reply #3601 on: June 11, 2007, 01:52 PM NHFT »
I remember a certain charismatic fellow saying at last porcfest:
 "First there is the soap box, then the ballot box.  Last comes the cartridge box.  I hope we don't go there." and a few suit-n-ties left the doorway after that remark.

I don't think I could participate in "Wave 3". 
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Re: ATF headed for Brown's 6/7
« Reply #3602 on: June 11, 2007, 01:52 PM NHFT »
I think his blog has been ceased and deceased?

Whose blog?

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Re: ATF headed for Brown's 6/7
« Reply #3603 on: June 11, 2007, 01:56 PM NHFT »
After all, if people trusted the federal government ... the Framers would have simply said, “We need to elect the best people to public office and then delegate total power to them so that they can get the job done.”  --Jacob Hornberger, fff.org

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Re: ATF headed for Brown's 6/7
« Reply #3605 on: June 11, 2007, 02:03 PM NHFT »
Still busted for me.  Could be the fascist webcache/filter box my employer employs.  There is something afoot today, though.
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Re: ATF headed for Brown's 6/7
« Reply #3606 on: June 11, 2007, 02:15 PM NHFT »
Is anyone in a position to do a roundabout to confirm the existence of the roadblocks?
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Re: ATF headed for Brown's 6/7
« Reply #3607 on: June 11, 2007, 02:43 PM NHFT »
Hi Joe!

That Texas case is John Joe Gray, and he's been barricaded at home to avoid arrest now for seven years, not five.  It's a state case, though, not federal. 

I think Ed is interested in contacting Gray, not because he wanted to share legal or law enforcement techniques, but because Ed is worried that Gray has only had one story in the press in the last five years, even though there was considerable national press and support when the standoff first started in 2000, and support dwindled quickly once the press died down.

Ed's not interested in taking a stand unless he's the center of attention.  He thinks (hopes?) his stand will end violently so that a world wide war will be triggered that will result in the death of all Illuminati leaders.  This has something to do with the Body of the Lord stuff and Queen Elizabeth secretly still owning the US.

There are some differences between Gray and Brown other than the color of their names.  Gray has the support of his extended family, while Ed and Elaine don't.  Gray has never been tried or convicted of any crimes, whereas the Browns have felony convictions.  Gray is a state law issue (he's accused of attacking and biting a cop at a traffic stop), while the Browns are federal.

There are also some similarities in their cases.  Both are self sufficient (the Grays haven't had phones or electricity since 2000).  Both are into religious extremes.  Both are from a militia background and their motto in both cases is "Live Free or Die."

And perhaps the most interesting similarity is Alex Jones' interest in their cases.  Gray was a guest on Jones' show two or three times when the standoff started.  Gray even invited Jones to his home, and allowed Jones to videotape inside the property and buildings under the agreement that Jones would save the tapes to make a documentary which would air after the government killed Gray.  Jones sold the tapes to a national network instead.

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Re: ATF headed for Brown's 6/7
« Reply #3608 on: June 11, 2007, 02:49 PM NHFT »
Ed Brown just said on the radio that there are men crawling around in his woods and that his (grid) power and Internet have been out for a couple of hours now.


Yup!  I tried to call Ed on the telephone at his 603: 675-2909 # about an hour ago, and got that disconnect notice again that I heard last week. 

I then called the P.U.C./ Public Utilities Commission at their main # 271-2431 and got the Verizon # 1-800-585-4466 and did "say" (1) sales + service, (2) other, then (3) neither, and first got to talk with (a) Laura Krainen telling her this phone line needs "repair", and so she transferred me over to (b) Kathy Harvard at "Repair" who said that even they do NOT have any records (either advanced or after-the-fact) of when phone lines are cut by operatives under a court order*, whether that order or "opinion" is lawful or not, and that I should report this crime of RSA Ch. ____ Theft of Services to the local police...

...to where I did call for Plainfield Police Chief Gordon Gillens at 643-2222 but got a switch-over to Hanover Dispatch with Ms. Camero there telling me that the Chief was un-available, and that one of his officers will get back to me at 848-6059 later, my cell phone.   She took down notes that WHOever is doing this is operating under an unlawful federal court order* because the Feds are in the "non-filing" status as having NOT filed the proper paperwork with Bill Gardner's Office of Secretary of State in Concord, N.H. as required by N.H. RSA Ch. 123:1 as from Art.I, Sec. 8, Cl. 17 of the U.S. Constitution.

The end does NOT justify the means!  Here is this country there is supposed to be procedural due process BEFORE substantive due process.  You'd think that a PRIVATE telephone company would stick up for the rights of their customers, but no! VERIZON is NOT villified or defamed by me, as I do NOT attack a good name with slander or libel (saying is slander, writing is libel), but that they are of BAD name for making us have to go and file a seperate complaint with the P.U.C., as VERIZON does NOT have that Harry Truman-like sign on their desk that says: THE BUCK STOPS HERE. So a reference to this Reply #____ at page no. ___ here to the "Consumer Advocate" of the PUC at 21 S. Fruit Street, Suite 18, Concord, N.H. 03301-2429 at oca at puc.nh.gov Tel. 271-1172 see: http://www.oca.nh.gov/index.htm **for Art. 14 "prompt"* action in getting VERIZON to send a repairman out to re-connect what was unlawfully and illegally interrupted.

Yours truly, - - Joe

* Article 14, N.H. Constitution, Part First & Bill of Rights
prompt = without delay
delay = postpone
post = after
pone = meal

footnote #1, so this being BEFORE the 4:00 p.m. + shut down of the gov't office +
footnote #2, while the repair trucks of VERIZON are out until _:_ p.m. tonight,
then to hopefully call Ed later tonight to tell him to "keep" his position!

pc: The Commissioner-nominee Thomas B. Getz at tomorrow's 2:00 p.m. meeting with the Executive Council
http://www.nh.gov/council/publichearing.html

** http://www.puc.state.nh.us/Home/aboutus.htm "It is the NHPUC's mission to ensure that customers of regulated utilities receive safe, adequate and RELIABLE service" even during government occupations when those gov't goons operate as outlaws! (emphasis ADDed for "To trust confidently" as from the Latin word religare, to bind back, as in what Red Beckman used to say of the bars of the constitution supposed to keep of bind back the gov't beast in-check.  The constitution setting it up for our state's 1883 RSA 123:1 statute but the Feds in COOPERATION with our State Police thumbing their noses at our Sullivan County Sheriff http://www.sullivancountynh.gov/sheriff/index.htm and local police***, plus ALL of us! that has got to STOP!

*** See http://www.gencourt.state.nh.us/rsa/html/vii/105/105-mrg.htm for RSA Ch. 105:1 POLICE OFFICERS in that "The selectmen of a town, when they deem it necessary, may appoint special police officers who shall continue in office during the pleasure of the selectmen."  105:2 "Such appointment shall be made in writing, under the hands of the selectmen, and recorded, with a certificate of the oath of office thereon, by the town clerk." To call Steve Halleran, the Town Administrator again at 110 Main Street, Meriden,, N.H. 03770 for Plainfield at 469-3201 in a few minutes to find out for when they next meet on: June ___ @ __:__ p.m. to FIRE this Police Chief for being a wimp! to the Feds KNOWing by my e-mail of Friday June 8th @ 1:46 p.m. that such RSA 123:1 papers do not exist and so for NO federal authority in his town! The property taxes of: $__________ having been paid by Ed Brown for his Art. 12 protection!

Modification: The town's computers need time to completely shut down by the 4:00 p.m. closing so I could not get the tax bill $amount, and the Selectmen meet every 1st + 3rd Wednesday nights @ 6:00 or 7:00 p.m. depending on the agenda. - Joe, 3:59 p.m.
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Re: ATF headed for Brown's 6/7
« Reply #3609 on: June 11, 2007, 02:57 PM NHFT »
If you skipped that post, here it is in summary: Ed's phone is disconnected again. :shithitsthefan: :shithitsthefan: :shithitsthefan: :shithitsthefan: :shithitsthefan:

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Re: ATF headed for Brown's 6/7
« Reply #3610 on: June 11, 2007, 03:12 PM NHFT »
The feds aren't just doing their usual casual reading of the forum like they always do.

Last week the day before the raid, they started reading it from their laptops and their Verizon data cards. And they read this forum and some of Ed Brown supporters' Myspace profiles a lot more frequently. For instance they were loading up Reno's myspace profile every 10 or 15 minutes looking for updates. This was the day before and the day of the raid. The day after, they virtually disappeared.

Today they're doing it again, same pattern. They're watching really closely. And now they've switched over to the Verizon data cards, within the last minute or two, which means they're on the move. SOMETHING is imminent. Maybe another dry run, maybe a raid, I don't know.

At the risk of sounding like a computer dumb dumb, how do I tell if they've looked at my MySpace pages.  I've always just assumed they did because I'm linked as an Ed Brown friend.

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Re: ATF headed for Brown's 6/7
« Reply #3611 on: June 11, 2007, 03:29 PM NHFT »
No one sent this out on porc 911?
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Re: Main thread for Ed and Elaine Brown vs the evil IRS
« Reply #3612 on: June 11, 2007, 03:39 PM NHFT »
No one sent this out on porc 911?

I think the emails are disappearing into the void somewhere. >:( I'm trying to track down the problem now.

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Re: Main thread for Ed and Elaine Brown vs the evil IRS
« Reply #3613 on: June 11, 2007, 03:39 PM NHFT »
whoever merged this thread destroyed the link i just sent out to the media
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Re: Main thread for Ed and Elaine Brown vs the evil IRS
« Reply #3614 on: June 11, 2007, 03:41 PM NHFT »
No one sent this out on porc 911?

I think the emails are disappearing into the void somewhere. >:( I'm trying to track down the problem now.

Oh OK. :)
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