Main thread for Ed and Elaine Brown vs the evil IRS

[littlehawk]

Page 666 needs to go! 

[littlehawk]

Unless people are fans of Herman "Snap-case" Cain and his reverse 999 plan.

[KBCraig]

Unless people are fans of Herman "Snap-case" Cain and his reverse 999 plan.

Don't worry, Joe should get us to 999 pages soon.

[JosephSHaas]

Unless people are fans of Herman "Snap-case" Cain and his reverse 999 plan.

Don't worry, Joe should get us to 999 pages soon.

So as not to dis-appoint, here goes a try for page 667:

"To: EDWARD BROWN 03923049

Date: 12/18/2011 11:25:45 AM

Subject: Re: 1 Stat 50?

Message: "
Ed, At: http://home.earthlink.net/~autonmsaim/id19.html from 1 Stat 50 at GOOGLE, on page #1 I found:

"Key Indian Laws and Cases

byWard Churchill and Glenn T. Morris

from The State of Native America: Genocide, Colonization, and Resistance, edited by M. Annette Jaimes,
South End Press, Cambridge, MA, 1992.

[pp. 13-21]
The following is an annotated listing of the various statutes and cases that are key to understanding the federal-Indian relationship and that are therefore frequently referred to by the contributors to this book. The table is provided both to serve as a handy reference guide for readers and to prevent
cumbersome formal citations from cluttering up the main texts. These should be considered in the context of Article IX of the Articles of Confederation (1781), which vested the Continental Congress with "the sole and exclusive right and power"of regulating the trade and managing all affairs with "ndians not members of the states,"and of the so-called Commerce Clause of the Constitution, which stipulated that the federal government alone would be responsible for regulating trade with "ndian Tribes"in the same fashion it does so with foreign nations and between "the various states" of the union. Also at issue is Article I, Section 2 of the Constitution, which defines "Indians not taxed" as comprising a polity (or polities) separate from that of the United States, and Article I, Section 10, which precludes the federal government from entering into treaty agreements with any entity other than another fully sovereign national entity.

Laws

- The Northwest Ordinance (1789): The Ordinance (1 Stat.  50), promulgated in the context of the threat of Tecumseh's incipient confederation, essentially disavowed U.S. intent to exercise the doctrine of "Rights of Conquest" in its affairs with Indians, pledging the nation instead to conduct its Indian affairs on the basis "of utmost good faith." The U.S., of course, was comporting itself otherwise, even as the Ordinance went into effect."

- - Joe

EDWARD BROWN on 12/18/2011 8:48:04 AM wrote
Joe:
     What is PUBLIC LAW pursuant to 1 Stat 50??
Enabling?
Please send me a hard copy. Thanks.

See you soon.
Ed...end "

[JosephSHaas]

Page 666 needs to go! 

How about this one getting to the top of page 667:

"Ed,       Re: 1 Stat. 50 reply #2

From over at: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Northwest_Ordinance is this summary:

"The Northwest Ordinance (formally An Ordinance for the Government of the Territory of the United States, North-West of the River Ohio, and also known as the Freedom Ordinance or "The Ordinance of 1787") was an act of the Congress of the Confederation of the United States, passed July 13, 1787. The primary effect of the ordinance was the creation of the Northwest Territory as the first organized territory of the United States out of the region south of the Great Lakes, north and west of the Ohio River, and east of the Mississippi River. On August 7, 1789, the newly created U.S. Congress affirmed the Ordinance with slight modifications *under the Constitution. The Ordinance purported to be not merely legislation that could later be amended by Congress, but rather "the following articles shall be considered as Articles of compact between the original States and the people and states in the said territory, and forever remain unalterable, unless by common consent...."[1]
Arguably the single most important piece of legislation passed by members of the earlier Continental Congresses other than the Declaration of Independence, ** it established the precedent by which the federal government would be sovereign and expand westward across North America with the admission of new states, rather than with the expansion of existing states and their established sovereignty under the Articles of Confederation. It is the most important legislation that Congress has ever passed with regard to American public domain lands.[2]
"

Note the word "forever" and the phrase of by "common consent".

Of there being some discussion at other websites of: http://candst.tripod.com/tnppage/arg5c.htm = "Research by Jim Allison. Writing by Jim Allison and Tom Peters
Was the Northwest Ordinance ever a valid law? The answer might surprise a lot of people. On July 13, 1787, the document that has come to be known as the Northwest Ordinance was passed by the 18 members of the Continental Congress, meeting in NYC. (The other members of that Congress were in Philadelphia meeting at the Constitutional Convention.)...The truth of the matter was that the Continental Congress had no authority to draft such a bill, vote on such a bill, and ultimately pass such a bill into law. Hence, while the Northwest Ordinance was on the books as a law from July 1787 to Aug - Sept 1789, it had no real legal standing, having been passed by a body without proper authority...The rule here is, Constitutions are Supreme Laws of the land, and once a State has adopted its Constitution, that Constitution then becomes the Law of that State, and the Ordinance has become null and void in that State. In addition, the ruling seems to be suggesting at the least that even while the Northwest Ordinance was passed "again"* by the First Congress, under the national Constitution, it may be in conflict with that Constitution...The Northwest Ordinance simply did not measure up; its authors did not act under any specified constitutional mandate, nor was their work in turn sanctioned by the sovereign people. Hastily written and poorly organized the Ordinance did not compare favorably with the skillfully constructed national Constitution." ("The Northwest Ordinance," in Roots of the Republic: American Founding Documents, by Peter S. Onuf, p. 250, our emphasis)."

and: for that star " * " of again, see: http://vftonline.org/EndTheWall/NWOrd.htm "see footnote 9 of Justice Douglas' concurring opinion in Engel v. Vitale, 370 US 421 at 443, the case which removed prayer from public schools. He admits:

    Religion was once deemed to be a function of the public school system. The Northwest Ordinance, which antedated the First Amendment, provided in Article III that "Religion, morality, and knowledge being necessary to good government and the happiness of mankind, schools and the means of education shall forever be encouraged."

    Of there's that "forever" word again, and although our N.H. state Constitution forbids the taxation of money for religious schools in Articles 6 + 83, Parts 1 + 2, we do have in our law by Article 83 also of to "encourage" private and public institutions", as that of for learning by education, and especially by Art. 18, N.H. Bill of Rights of to be rehabilitated, not warehoused!

    And so when Ohio in 1803, then Indiana in 1816, and your Illinois became a state in 1818 my presumption is that Illinois likewise adopted some of these words, and so to: http://www.ilga.gov/commission/lrb/conmain.htm over to: http://www.ilga.gov/commission/lrb/con1.htm for The Bill of Rights, type in the search box for education gets you to nothing, and so to "ARTICLE X - EDUCATION" = "

    SECTION 1.  GOAL - FREE SCHOOLS
        A fundamental goal of the People of the State is the
    educational development of all persons to the limits of their
    capacities."

    Notice the word: "all" of you now withIN that state and so are entitled to be educated, as
    in to be taught a course with #x-number of classes in the subject matter for which you
    are incarcerated, to obtain such a certificate of correction, or non-correction, as the
    case may be for when you instruct the teacher that a tax is NOT a debt until decided by
    a civil jury, as that is HOW a lien does arise by the Writ of Elegit process of to offer
    up to half the apples of the tree until the "debt" be paid, that THEN of "if" you don't
    "fork-it-over" THEN it criminal theft of into that realm of the law, is what is The Rule
    of Law being procedural due process pf law!

    Good luck in getting a teacher in there. -- Joe

    cc: N.H. Congressman Frank Guinta, who gets a bag of coal from me this Christmas Season, of
    maybe next year 2012 of something better.

    footnote: ** See "He has" #10 of 18 for not the "substance", but that of the apples.
    _____________________________

    "From: EDWARD BROWN (03923049)
    Date: 12/20/2011 12:48:40 PM
    Subject: I Still need!
    Message: "
    Joseph:
         I still need The enabling clause law out of public law
    for 1 Stat 50.
    Thanks Ed...end "

    *** enable: " To supply with the means, knowledge, or opportunity to do something; make
    possible."

"Message successfully sent." to Ed @ 6:32 p.m.

[JosephSHaas]

Unsent extra to the 1 Stat 50 as found at the bottom of: http://vftonline.org/EndTheWall/NWOrd.htm from the above:

"The settlement of the Northwest Territories was undertaken in the belief that Christianity is the foundation of free societies and just governments.

Alexis de Tocqueville, Democracy in America, Vol.1, p. 311-12
I have known of societies formed by the Americans to send out ministers of the Gospel into the new Western States to found schools and churches there, lest religion should be suffered to die away in those remote settlements, and the rising States be less fitted to enjoy free institutions than the people from which they emanated. I met with wealthy New Englanders who abandoned the country in which they were born in order to lay the foundations of Christianity and of freedom on the banks of the Missouri, or in the prairies * of Illinois. Thus religious zeal is perpetually stimulated in the United States by the duties of patriotism. These men do not act from an exclusive consideration of the promises of a future life; eternity is only one motive of their devotion to the cause; and if you converse with these missionaries of Christian civilization, you will be surprised to find how much value they set upon the goods of this world, and that you meet with a politician where you expected to find a priest. They will tell you that "all the American republics are collectively involved with each other; if the republics of the West were to fall into anarchy, or to be mastered by a despot, the republican institutions which now flourish upon the shores of the Atlantic Ocean would be in great peril. It is, therefore, our interest that the new States should be religious, in order to maintain our liberties."

Such are the opinions of the Americans, and if any hold that the religious spirit which I admire is the very thing most amiss in America, and that the only element wanting to the freedom and happiness of the human race is to believe in some blind cosmogony,*** or to assert with Cabanis**** the secretion of thought by the brain, I can only reply that those who hold this language have never been in America, and that they have never seen a religious or a free nation. When they return from their expedition, we shall hear what they have to say.

Separationists still have not returned from their expedition."

-* "the prairies * of Illinois."

** " you meet with a politician where you expected to find a priest. " of the "despot" or autocratic ruler out there at the F.C.I./ Marion being the Warden who could not care less about the victims sent into his web, of the papers there be not for learning, but for shitting.

***  cosmogony = "The astrophysical study of the evolution of the universe."

**** Cabanis = ?   See http://cabanissok.tripod.com/  for sheep in Oklahoma .

[JosephSHaas]

"Ed, from over at GOOGLE I did find the following:
http://www.leagle.com/xmlResult.aspx?xmldoc=1975809441FSupp368_1738.xml&docbase=CSLWAR1-1950-1985
of to notice the common denominator of "consent" as applicable to your 2005-C-033 case against Tom Colantuono, then U.S. Attorney in Grafton County Superior Court that was illegally Removed and dismissed against 28USC636(c)(1) as you never gave "consent" for such transfer, nor has there been the 1-8-17 "Consent" by the U.S. Constitution accepted by "Uncle Sam" to do business in the state of New Hampshire, reference: U.S. Attorney Manual 664  http://www.justice.gov/usao/eousa/foia_reading_room/usam/title9/crm00664.htm
as to N.H. RSA Chapter 123:1   http://www.gencourt.state.nh.us/rsa/html/IX/123/123-1.htm   and so these illegal and unlawful acts  to be dealt with by House Bill #1476 of 2012   http://www.gencourt.state.nh.us/legislation/2012/HB1476.html   of to establish you and multiple others as victims for the U.S. government agents to be brought to the House Grievance Committee in some class-action suit.

Joe

Here's a copy and paste:

"SWIMMING TURTLE v. BD. OF CTY. COM'RS OF MIAMI CTY.
441 F.Supp. 368 (1975)
SWIMMING TURTLE, a/k/a Oliver Godfroy,
v.
BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONERS OF MIAMI COUNTY et al.
Civ. No. S 74-98.
United States District Court, N. D. Indiana, South Bend Division.

May 15, 1975.

Thomas N. Tureen, Barry A. Margolin, Calais, Maine, Hugo E. Martz, Valparaiso, Ind., for plaintiff.
James A. Grund, Peru, Ind., Theodore L. Sendak, Atty. Gen., State of Indiana, Indianapolis, Ind., for defendants.

MEMORANDUM
GRANT, District Judge.
The plaintiff, Swimming Turtle, a/k/a Oliver Godfroy, brought the above entitled action pursuant to 28 U.S.C. §§ 1331, 1337, 1343, 1353, and 25 U.S.C. § 345, and seeks, by his complaint, to recover taxes which he alleges were wrongfully assessed and collected on Indian land; a declaration of plaintiff's rights with respect to the taxability of his land; and an order enjoining officials of Miami County and Butler Township from further attempts to assess and collect taxes on plaintiff's land.
Plaintiff asserts that he is the great-grandson of Francis Godfroy, war-chief of the Miami Tribe; that he is an Indian by birth and a member of the Miami Tribe or Nation of Indians; and that he owns a parcel of land situated in Butler Township, Miami County, the location of which he has set forth in the complaint.
He brings this action against the Board of County Commissioners of Miami County individually and in their capacity as Commissioners. In his claim for relief, the plaintiff states that the exclusive jurisdiction over Indian affairs is conferred on Congress by the Commerce Clause, Article I, § 8[3] of the Constitution and that the Miami Tribe of Indians is recognized as a tribe of Indians by the United States. He also makes reference to the Ordinance enacted by the Continental Congress on July 13, 1787, (hereinafter referred to as the Northwest Ordinance) under the terms of which Indiana agreed to be bound by the Enabling Act of 1816. 1 Burns Ind.Stat. Ann. 390 (1955 Repl.). The pertinent provision for plaintiff's purposes is Article III of the Northwest Ordinance which provides as follows:
The utmost good faith shall always be observed toward the Indians; their lands and property shall never be taken from them without their consent; and, in their property, rights, and liberty, they shall never be invaded or disturbed, unless in just and lawful wars authorized by Congress; but laws founded in justice and humanity shall from time to time be made, for preventing wrongs being done to them, and for preserving peace and friendship with them.
Plaintiff contends that by virtue of this provision, Indian lands affected by the Northwest Ordinance were and are exempt from taxation by state and local authorities.

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http://behindtheheadlines.net/sections/bthl/videos/vid_55.shtml with Armstrong Williams, on Channel 13 last night.

Plus: The Godfrey's used to be our neighbor's in Maine.
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"Message successfully sent." to Ed.

To look at pages 2-8 plus now.  If anybody has any additional information, please pass it along. Thanks.  Merry Christmas, -- Joe     

[JosephSHaas]

From: josephshaas at hotmail dot com
To: wgardner at sos.state.nh.us; elections at sos.state.nh.us
CC: gcweb at nh.gov; rburton at nh.gov; dst.hilaire at nh.gov; csununu at nh.gov; rwieczorek at nh.gov; dwheeler at nh.gov
Subject: (First Draft) RSA Ch. 21-G Complaint against Bill Gardner
Date: Tue, 27 Dec 2011 15:33:00 -0500

First Draft:

To: The Executive Ethics Committee

Website: _____________________
http://www.gencourt.state.nh.us/rsa/html/NHTOC/NHTOC-I-21-G.htm
for R.S.A. Ch. 21-G:29-35 [ to read later ]

Re: Complaint against Article  67 Secretary of State William M. Gardner

for FALSE REPORT TO LAW ENFORCEMENT

Although RSA Ch. 641:4 reads  at: http://www.gencourt.state.nh.us/rsa/html/LXII/641/641-4.htm that:

"
TITLE LXII
CRIMINAL CODE
CHAPTER 641
FALSIFICATION IN OFFICIAL MATTERS
Section 641:4
    641:4 False Reports to Law Enforcement. – A person is guilty of a misdemeanor if he:
    I. Knowingly gives or causes to be given false information to any law enforcement officer WITH THE PURPOSE* of inducing such officer to believe that another has committed an offense; or
    II. . . . from an explosive or other dangerous substance, knowing that the offense or danger did not occur or exist . . . .  Source. 1971, 518:1, eff. Nov. 1, 1973." (emphasis ADDed.)

of that when the Secretary of State did give his ANNUAL REPORT of which is an "accounting" of to "count" of like how many papers, if any,  were either filed or not as none by the 40USC255 to 3112 Federal agent as "head" of "agency" per both: N.H. RSA Chapter 123:1 AND U.S. Attorney Manual 664, on ______ ____, 2011 to The Governor & Council,

although there was no "purpose"*, there was this lie by omission [ see: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lie#Lying_by_omission

] "

Lying by omission
Also known as a continuing misrepresentation, a lie by omission occurs when an important fact is left out in order to foster a misconception. Lying by omission includes failures to correct pre-existing misconceptions. When the seller of a car declares it has been serviced regularly but does not tell that a fault was reported at the last service, the seller lies by omission."

The "important fact" left out being: of another "receives and files".  Of there being just one of such listed for ANOTHER statute BUT not of this one and maybe more.  Thus this fosters or encourages and cultivates the wrong impression in that the TRUTH is that the Feds have NO jurisdictional authority to "control over" us Article 12 inhabitants with these "other laws" of Congress, with the U.S. Codes or Statutes at Large.

It being this misconception or mis-understanding that there is jurisdiction where there is none! Thus the failure to correct so that the victims thereof such tyrannical powers may be "corrected" is a violation of his RSA Ch. 92:2 oath of office, and especially egregious and outstandingly bad of KNOWING that our people are being sent to "Uncle Sam's" F.C.I. / Federal Correctional Institutions to be so-called "corrected" BUT that there being NO course with classes in the subject matter of the arrest.  Instead the individuals are merely fed in a warehouse producing excrement to the local sewage lagoon.  This crap has got to stop!  Literally!

Yours truly, - - - - - - - - - - - - Joseph S. Haas, P. O. Box 3842, Concord, New Hampshire 03302, Tel. 603: 848-6059 (cell phone), e-mail: JosephSHaas at hotmail dot com "

note: the "Law Enforcement" in this case is the governor, by his Article 51 duty of to  execute the laws of this state AND of the United States, of BOTH the shield AND the sword, but which he refuses to do to "protect" us from these bad apples in the bunch of corrupt officers in both spheres, and so he ought to be Article 40 impeached!

[KBCraig]

An article about the same kind of unit were Ed is being held:

http://www.thenation.com/article/165334/unlawful-detention-us-soil

[JosephSHaas]

An article about the same kind of unit were Ed is being held:

http://www.thenation.com/article/165334/unlawful-detention-us-soil

Thanks K.B.

I did send that visitation form back to Ed as signed, at that Marion Penal Colony in Illinois, of that is supposed to be a Federal "Correctional" Institution (F.C.I. too) and even called his case manager man who I did talk with on the telephone, for a decision of yes or no, but having received no answer! Of my plan being to like kill two birds with one stone to see WHO is responsible there for their education per H.S. Rules too, as Ed is entitled by N.H. Article 18 to rehabilitation in having a course with $x-number of classes in the subject matter of his arrest!  A complaint that I've made to our Federal Rep. Frank Guinta from Manchester to Washington, D.C. but who seems to be asleep at the wheel.  Of I've politely asked him to do a "Congressional Inquiry" of this of why the tax-payer money from my employer at work from my account is paying teachers to merely be administrative paper shufflers!  Having gone from the polite with no answers to that of calling his offices DAMANDing that he do his job!

And so a copy of this to Guinta right now, to see what his reply can be, of for me to relay this back to the group here, of me having asked him about this way back in June 2011 of this year at his Rochester Job Fair, of me saying to him that in effect, of "Uncle Sam" not supposed to put people out of business, as in to go after the "He has" #10 of 18 "substance" in "The Declaration of Independence", but only up to like half the apples of the tree, because this is HOW a lien does arise by the power to issue a Writ of Elegit of up to 50% of the crop until the "debt" be paid, and that a tax is but a charge NOT a debt due as owed until AFTER the civil process of THEN to go after the individual for criminal theft of not that he or she can't pay, but won't, and so a refusal to penalize them for not honoring the contract.

Joe

[JosephSHaas]

An article about the same kind of unit . . . .

Thanks K.B. . . . .

Here's a copy and paste:

"
From: josephshaas at hotmail dot com
To: jay.ruais at mail.house dot gov
Subject: Federal Statute/ Rule Violations by these Executive creeps!
Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2011 11:57:36 -0500

Jay to Frank:

To please find them in "Contempt of Congress".

Joe

RE: http://nhunderground.com/forum/index.php?action=post;quote=340543;topic=3868.9990
Re: Main thread for Ed and Elaine Brown vs the evil IRS
« Reply #9994 on: Today at 11:54 AM
at page 667.

"
Quote from: KBCraig on Yesterday at 06:30 PM

    An article about . . . . "

[JosephSHaas]

"OBAMA CALLS PATRIOT TO WH BECAUSE HIS MESSAGE DISTURBS BHO"

"00:06:36
Added on 3/30/09
4,574 views"

"
From: josephshaas at hotmail dot com
To: jay.ruais at mail.house dot gov
[ for Frank Guinta ]
Subject: Impeach McAuliffe
Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2011 12:26:27 -0500"

"
Reference the case of: Ed Brown v. Tom Colantuono in Case #2005-C-033 at
The Grafton County Superior Court
North Haverhill, N.H.
to State-impeach both: Court Clerk Robert B. Muh
and Judge Jean K. (Mrs. Peter Hoe) Burling

RE: OBAMA CALLS PATRIOT TO WH BECAUSE HIS MESSAGE DISTURBS BHO

http : // www dot youtube dot com / watch?v=fQk74Y5tnRO

" Yeah! A great 6:36 minute video, like 28USC636(c)(1) of when we go after these Federal crooks in state court, BUT that the Clerks and Judges do illegally remove said upon a request they take as a command from the U.S. Attorney to have it also Dismissed! And "they" call this like what "Thomas Paine" says at 4:21 "The Rule of Law" ?  Bullshit! It's tyranny.  These creeps have got to be fired! Both State and Federal oath breakers!  Impeach the bastards! cc: to my Federal Rep. Frank Guinta of Manchester, N.H. [ 4,574 hits and counting.] "

[KBCraig]

An article about the same kind of unit were Ed is being held:

http://www.thenation.com/article/165334/unlawful-detention-us-soil

Thanks K.B.

I did send that visitation form back to Ed as signed, at that Marion Penal Colony in Illinois, of that is supposed to be a Federal "Correctional" Institution . . .

For the record, I have never shared anything about Ed Brown that isn't public information. I just wanted that to be clear, in case anyone was wondering. Or watching. Whichever.

Visitation regulations for Marion are at the link (the BOP's public website). Special rules for the CMU are in Paragraph 20 (the last one).

http://www.bop.gov/locations/institutions/mar/MAR_visit_hours.pdf

Don't ask what you can do if the agency refuses to follow its own posted rules. I've yet to figure that out myself.

[DonnaVanMeter]

Cirino's New Year Resolution for 2012
http://cirinogonzalez.wordpress.com/

[JosephSHaas]

Pick a number; ________ any number;

read it, and report back here of what you think.

- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -

http://newsinfo.nd.edu/for-the-media/nd-experts/faculty/stuart-greene/

http://www.gencourt.state.nh.us/rsa/html/IX/123/123-1.htm

http://www.gencourt.state.nh.us/rsa/html/NHTOC/NHTOC-IX-123.htm

http://www.nh.gov/constitution/billofrights.html

http://www.nh.gov/constitution/constitution.html

http://www.nh.gov/council/

http://www.nh.gov/constitution/council.html

http://www.justice.gov/usao/eousa/foia_reading_room/usam/title9/crm00664.htm

http://www.gencourt.state.nh.us/rsa/html/LXII/651/651-63.htm

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vivien_Kellems

http://www.gencourt.state.nh.us/rsa/html/LXII/637/637-5.htm

http://www.nhd.uscourts.gov/

http://www.gencourt.state.nh.us/rsa/html/VI/92/92-2.htm

http://guinta.house.gov/

http://www.courts.state.nh.us/committees/attydiscip/index.htm

http://www.gencourt.state.nh.us/rsa/html/XXX/311/311-6.htm

http://www.gencourt.state.nh.us/rsa/html/NHTOC/NHTOC-LV-541-B.htm

http://www.unionleader.com/

http://www.gencourt.state.nh.us/lsr_search/LSR_Results.aspx

http://www.gencourt.state.nh.us/legislation/2012/HB1476.html

http://www.gencourt.state.nh.us/rsa/html/VI/100-C/100-C-15.htm

http://www.gencourt.state.nh.us/rsa/html/NHTOC/NHTOC-VI-93-B.htm

http://www.gencourt.state.nh.us/legislation/2012/HB1514.html

http://www.gencourt.state.nh.us/rsa/html/LI/498/498-5-d.htm