Mexico Works to Bar Non-Natives From Jobs

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dem engines?   I assume you mean Indians. Since my family just came here last generation I don't have any part in that, but it sounds like the politically correct has gotten to you.

I was not referring to you Jane by my comment which I realize were not very nice. I was very upset with BillyC for claiming that I was "a fool who has no allegiance to this country", "enemy of the people of this country", "stolen from my family by people like you". If he wants to claim that I stole something from him (what I don't know, I have never even met the guy) than I will point out that he's not so innocent himself and needs to get off his high horse.

Politically correct? More like historically correct. He wants to claim that I messed up his life by immigrating to his country (by advocating freedom apparently), so I'm just pointing out that his relatives messed up the lives of many indians who lived here before them.

I guess the 'free market' of who can take over the land better only counts when you want it to?

I don't understand what you are asking. I'm not a historian, I just repeat what I have learned. I know that indians were killed during colonization of America by the Europeans and I'm simply pointing that out.

Well sometimes our schools like to 'color' things to make it look like the settlers were all bad when we were not there and really do not know the whole story... you know? It's so insidious in the public schools, that young folks are politically brainwashed without even realizing it. I am sure there were both friendly and unfriendly natives. The history books leave out the symbiotic relationship between them and the settlers and opt to highlight the battles instead.

I am sure Billy did not mean that YOU messed up this country. Billy is a very fair and intelligent person and will read as much as he can to understand your viewpoint. You are a perfect example of why we like immigrants because you are the kind of person that  is not asking gov't to do things for you and you are rooting for freedom etc.

What I think he is saying is, he believes in sovereignty of our nation which simply means we have a gov't, no matter how limited, that protects us from invaders, whether it be the globalists that are looking to blend us into their socialist schemes or someone who is trying to do violent acts. I think what we can't reckon with is that some who advocate NO gov't really may not understand that they are enabling this 'new order' of globalism, without realizing it.

Because think about it -- which would you rather have -- the ability to pick out where to live among a diverse group of countries/states based on the one you consider the most free, (such as coming to NH) or to live in a one-world situation where there is no escape? I truly feel this is what we are heading for.

Bottom line, I am a VERY ethnic person -- and still maintain a lot of that ehtnicity in everything I am and do, so I do not forget how immigrants contribute to our country. But I would like our country to stay independent of the globlist system.

And while it would be a nice utopia to have no gov't, and not worry about being attacked or swallowed up by another gov't, that is NOT the reality and so I base my opinions on that.. There is ALWAYS going to be some entity waiting to either strike at us to simply steal what we have or to take over just to have control of things.

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Lex here is more on this from the LP platform:

"Immigration

The Issue: We welcome all refugees to our country and condemn the efforts of U.S. officials to create a new "Berlin Wall" which would keep them captive. We condemn the U.S. government's policy of barring those refugees from our country and preventing Americans from assisting their passage to help them escape tyranny or improve their economic prospects.

The Principle: We hold that human rights should not be denied or abridged on the basis of nationality. Undocumented non-citizens should not be denied the fundamental freedom to labor and to move about unmolested. Furthermore, immigration must not be restricted for reasons of race, religion, political creed, age or sexual preference. We oppose government welfare and resettlement payments to non-citizens just as we oppose government welfare payments to all other persons.

Solutions: We condemn massive roundups of Hispanic Americans and others by the federal government in its hunt for individuals not possessing required government documents. We strongly oppose all measures that punish employers who hire undocumented workers. Such measures repress free enterprise, harass workers, and systematically discourage employers from hiring Hispanics.

Transitional Action: We call for the elimination of all restrictions on immigration, the abolition of the Immigration and Naturalization Service and the Border Patrol, and a declaration of full amnesty for all people who have entered the country illegally."

***It's the welfare state that is screwing up the works. Perhaps not here in NH but definitely on the border with the 141 hospitals that have gone out of business. Like you said, without the welfare state the immigration would be of no consequence.

[Lex]

Lex, we are not anti-immigration. We are anti-globalist because we know that means socialism. And part of this push to erase the southern and northern borders is to blend us in with the rest of the world so there will be no resistance. By causing all this strife, they are presenting the problem and the solution, a typical Marxist ploy.

BillyC wants his job guaranteed, tell me that's not a Marxist ploy!

Please read more on this:
http://www.thenhf.com/national_health_federation_january2006_NACSA_pr.htm
http://www.newswithviews.com/Wood/patrick6.htm

I skimmed the articles and did not find anything I didn't already know. And I am certain that closing borders will not affect their operations. They will find other ways to gain power if they have not already done so. The part that seems to be missed is that they don't need to make us all into one country on the surface, they can do it on paper in a secret meeting and keep that paper in vault. They will share the wealth and power while continuing to call America America, Canada Canada, etc. We ALREADY have the similar laws as other countries. There is no requirement for the UN to publicly start passing global laws in the US. Our own government can pass those laws seperately and make it look like it was done autonymously. Isn't that what is happening today?

The point I'm trying to make is that in the big scheme of things as they pertain to the NWO it doesn't matter whatsoever if we open or keep the borders closed.

And, since it doesn't matter, why not resort to our principles of Freedom and open the borders.

The argument that by closing borders we can save America is too weak in my opinion but I'm open to more thoughts on this. So far I have not gotten any concrete reasons for how specifically closing the borders we will hinder the NWO.

THE PEOPLE THEMSELVES WE LOVE. But they are being used as pawns in the game of world government. The globalists are evil....if you think the US is oppressive, just wait!

I agree that globalists are evil. But I don't agree that we can defeat them by locking down the borders.

[Lex]

Lex here is more on this from the LP platform:

"Immigration

The Issue: We welcome all refugees to our country and condemn the efforts of U.S. officials to create a new "Berlin Wall" which would keep them captive. We condemn the U.S. government's policy of barring those refugees from our country and preventing Americans from assisting their passage to help them escape tyranny or improve their economic prospects.

The Principle: We hold that human rights should not be denied or abridged on the basis of nationality. Undocumented non-citizens should not be denied the fundamental freedom to labor and to move about unmolested. Furthermore, immigration must not be restricted for reasons of race, religion, political creed, age or sexual preference. We oppose government welfare and resettlement payments to non-citizens just as we oppose government welfare payments to all other persons.

Solutions: We condemn massive roundups of Hispanic Americans and others by the federal government in its hunt for individuals not possessing required government documents. We strongly oppose all measures that punish employers who hire undocumented workers. Such measures repress free enterprise, harass workers, and systematically discourage employers from hiring Hispanics.

Transitional Action: We call for the elimination of all restrictions on immigration, the abolition of the Immigration and Naturalization Service and the Border Patrol, and a declaration of full amnesty for all people who have entered the country illegally."

***It's the welfare state that is screwing up the works. Perhaps not here in NH but definitely on the border with the 141 hospitals that have gone out of business. Like you said, without the welfare state the immigration would be of no consequence.

So is the LP supporting Globalists by wanting to remove restrictions on immigration?

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The point I'm trying to make is that in the big scheme of things as they pertain to the NWO it doesn't matter whatsoever if we open or keep the borders closed.
I agree that globalists are evil. But I don't agree that we can defeat them by locking down the borders.

Well let's just say that you and I want the immigrants to come here and have the chance to do what we do --- fend for ourselves.
The globalists want this to happen so they can 'equalize' nations but on the sweat of the brows of those who do work and fend for themselves as if it were their fault that other countries are not up to par. So just as you are opposed to individual welfare, this is like our country giving massive welfare to Mexico....this is what the UN wants for the world.

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So is the LP supporting Globalists by wanting to remove restrictions on immigration?

In light of the situation now? Quite possibly yes they are.

It's a dilemma to be sure. And, as the title of this thread suggests, it doesn't work both ways with our folks going to other countries...which makes it even worse.
The UN's idea of 'equaliztion' is really not.

[Lex]

Could it not be argued that if we remove immigration restrictions that it would put a big enough pressure one our welfare state that it would collapse (the welfare part, not necessarily the whole govt.)?

I see pros and cons of closing/opening the borders being about equal and that is why I side with Freedom in my stance.

If in doubt, choose Freedom! 

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Could it not be argued that if we remove immigration restrictions that it would put a big enough pressure one our welfare state that it would collapse (the welfare part, not necessarily the whole govt.)?

I see pros and cons of closing/opening the borders being about equal and that is why I side with Freedom in my stance.

If in doubt, choose Freedom! 

Well the system is about to collapse, but the bad part is they will just ask for more money from you and me. This will cause so much strife that there will be a sort of tax war such as more and more people doing what the Brown's did, and thus, they will then have an excuse to bring in the UN troops!!!!!!!!!!

Yes many will just accept it and pay more taxes to support the rest of the world. And the people like the Brown's will be the sacrificial lambs.

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The crazy GOP House of Rep leaders want all non-natives to have DNA info in cards that they have to carry.  That is way too scary.  First just for the non-natives and then everyone!  These people are evil

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The crazy GOP House of Rep leaders want all non-natives to have DNA info in cards that they have to carry.  That is way too scary.  First just for the non-natives and then everyone!  These people are evil

Yeah well you see how this immgration issue is being used to cause strife so they can provide you with the solution? That is exactly my point.

[Lex]

Well the system is about to collapse, but the bad part is they will just ask for more money from you and me. This will cause so much strife that there will be a sort of tax war such as more and more people doing what the Brown's did, and thus, they will then have an excuse to bring in the UN troops!!!!!!!!!!

Yes many will just accept it and pay more taxes to support the rest of the world. And the people like the Brown's will be the sacrificial lambs.

It's going to collapse anyways... so, the question is, do you want it to happen sooner or later?

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Well the system is about to collapse, but the bad part is they will just ask for more money from you and me. This will cause so much strife that there will be a sort of tax war such as more and more people doing what the Brown's did, and thus, they will then have an excuse to bring in the UN troops!!!!!!!!!!

Yes many will just accept it and pay more taxes to support the rest of the world. And the people like the Brown's will be the sacrificial lambs.

It's going to collapse anyways... so, the question is, do you want it to happen sooner or later?

I don't want to see the UN troops called in here to quell the masses........but that's what Kissinger said would happen, and he also said we'd be glad to have it happen!

[Lex]

Jane, I understand you are trying to be realistic, but is that really a reasonable goal when talking about the Feds or the NWO?

One minute you are talking about a tax war and then next you are saying that it's unlikely that welfare will end.

I think the likelyhood of a Second American Revolution is about the same as the ending of the American welfare state.

[Lex]

I don't want to see the UN troops called in here to quell the masses........but that's what Kissinger said would happen, and he also said we'd be glad to have it happen!

Do you think it's going to happen?

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Jane, I understand you are trying to be realistic, but is that really a reasonable goal when talking about the Feds or the NWO?

One minute you are talking about a tax war and then next you are saying that it's unlikely that welfare will end.

I think the likelyhood of a Second American Revolution is about the same as the ending of the American welfare state.

Yes you're right...most will just go like sheep to the slaughter. Welfare won't end, the burden on us will increase and eventually things will erupt...or so they hope...so they will have an excuse to put complete control in place...
I didn't say a revolution, but just enought strife by a few to try to use it as an excuse to implement real id, etc etc. I mean isn't this happening now?