Mexico Works to Bar Non-Natives From Jobs

[ravelkinbow]

It was stolen from my family by people like you once and I will not willingly let it happen again.

What about dem engines your family butchered to live here? Huh?

You my friend are more of an illegal immigrant than I am by your definition. I came here through the bureaucracy while your family didn't have to do jack squat except shoot up a bunch of Indians.

I have no blood on my hands but I can't say the same for you.

You obviously have no clue who you are talking too, of that I am very sure.

[AlanM]

Wow.  I really like both of you guys and wish you weren't saying such horrible things to each other.

Yeah, it's a shame to have two people who basically believe the same to be fighting.

They both agree about the NWO now that Lex has been taught about it, but they disagree on how to fend it off.

One says, just let the world be one, with no borders, laws, etc, and there will be no problem, and the other says, this is a recipe for disaster and just enabling the NWO to swoop down and take complete control of us.

I tend to agree with the latter opinion..because the more we lose our sovereignty to the larger entity, the less our individual rights are respected. The UN would rather reduce the population, weed out the people they don't like, and 'equalize' the wealth. Trouble is, the US has the wealthiest general population so we stand to lose.

And what I am saying is that it doesn't matter whether you favor one option or the other, because we have lost total control of our government. Sovereignty is now meaningless. We are past that.
In regards immigration, I choose the way of freedom. Freedom to live where one chooses.

[BillyC]

dem engines?   I assume you mean Indians. Since my family just came here last generation I don't have any part in that, but it sounds like the politically correct has gotten to you.

I was not referring to you Jane by my comment which I realize were not very nice. I was very upset with BillyC for claiming that I was "a fool who has no allegiance to this country", "enemy of the people of this country", "stolen from my family by people like you". If he wants to claim that I stole something from him (what I don't know, I have never even met the guy) than I will point out that he's not so innocent himself and needs to get off his high horse.

Politically correct? More like historically correct. He wants to claim that I messed up his life by immigrating to his country (by advocating freedom apparently), so I'm just pointing out that his relatives messed up the lives of many indians who lived here before them.

I guess the 'free market' of who can take over the land better only counts when you want it to?

I don't understand what you are asking. I'm not a historian, I just repeat what I have learned. I know that indians were killed during colonization of America by the Europeans and I'm simply pointing that out.

Well sometimes our schools like to 'color' things to make it look like the settlers were all bad when we were not there and really do not know the whole story... you know? It's so insidious in the public schools, that young folks are politically brainwashed without even realizing it. I am sure there were both friendly and unfriendly natives. The history books leave out the symbiotic relationship between them and the settlers and opt to highlight the battles instead.

I am sure Billy did not mean that YOU messed up this country. Billy is a very fair and intelligent person and will read as much as he can to understand your viewpoint. You are a perfect example of why we like immigrants because you are the kind of person that  is not asking gov't to do things for you and you are rooting for freedom etc.

What I think he is saying is, he believes in sovereignty of our nation which simply means we have a gov't, no matter how limited, that protects us from invaders, whether it be the globalists that are looking to blend us into their socialist schemes or someone who is trying to do violent acts. I think what we can't reckon with is that some who advocate NO gov't really may not understand that they are enabling this 'new order' of globalism, without realizing it.

Because think about it -- which would you rather have -- the ability to pick out where to live among a diverse group of countries/states based on the one you consider the most free, (such as coming to NH) or to live in a one-world situation where there is no escape? I truly feel this is what we are heading for.

Bottom line, I am a VERY ethnic person -- and still maintain a lot of that ehtnicity in everything I am and do, so I do not forget how immigrants contribute to our country. But I would like our country to stay independent of the globlist system.

And while it would be a nice utopia to have no gov't, and not worry about being attacked or swallowed up by another gov't, that is NOT the reality and so I base my opinions on that.. There is ALWAYS going to be some entity waiting to either strike at us to simply steal what we have or to take over just to have control of things.

Thank you Jane,
Your eloquence is appreciated.
I am not intentionaly blaming Lex for the woes of this Nation etc.
Right now passions are high and I think the real message here is getting lost.

Peace
Billy C.

[BillyC]

Could it not be argued that if we remove immigration restrictions that it would put a big enough pressure one our welfare state that it would collapse (the welfare part, not necessarily the whole govt.)?

I see pros and cons of closing/opening the borders being about equal and that is why I side with Freedom in my stance.

If in doubt, choose Freedom! 

I personaly dont think the borders should be walled up, patroled yes but no wall.
Walls can keep people in just as easily as keeping them out.
I find that scary.

[Kat Kanning]

I personaly dont think the borders should be walled up...
Walls can keep people in just as easily as keeping them out.
I find that scary.

Me too.

[ravelkinbow]

I personaly dont think the borders should be walled up...
Walls can keep people in just as easily as keeping them out.
I find that scary.

Me too.

Remember all the "camps" are being built right around the southern border...yes scary

[BillyC]

Alan
I agree with but I have to keep resisting these people the only way I know how.
The only way I know how to live out side the system requires sleeping in a cardbord box and I am not willing to do that ....(yet)

I understand the difficulties of doing this. I say, do what you can, when you can. Stop living the consumer lifestyle which benefits the Oligarchs and their henchmen. The worst enemies are the powerful bankers, the Rockefellers, Morgans, Rothschilds, Warburgs, et al. Stop feeding the beast every chance you get.

You are right.
Hey here is a thought.
Is there anyone in our group who can teach those of us willing to learn how to do this correctly and ...ahem legaly  

[BillyC]

Wow.  I really like both of you guys and wish you weren't saying such horrible things to each other.

It was stolen from my family by people like you once and I will not willingly let it happen again.

What about dem engines your family butchered to live here? Huh?

You my friend are more of an illegal immigrant than I am by your definition. I came here through the bureaucracy while your family didn't have to do jack squat except shoot up a bunch of Indians.

I have no blood on my hands but I can't say the same for you.

dem engines as you so eloquently put it are my family you ignorant Ass Hat.
You know nothing of My heritage so fuck off and go back to your land and preach your ignorance.

Sorry Kat 

[Lex]

"The ethnic and racial differences between individuals and groups are being stressed and agitated while at the same time you are being forced into a "one world government". This, of course, is not without planning. It is for the purpose of creating chaos and confusion within the psyche. In actuality, this serves our purposes also. It is a great deal easier to create change from chaos than it is to bring it about within a stable, static environment."

Handbook for the New Paradigm

Are you suggesting that me and BillyC continue to call each other names then? 

[AlanM]

You are right.
Hey here is a thought.
Is there anyone in our group who can teach those of us willing to learn how to do this correctly and ...ahem legaly  

Anyone know of any usefull books?

Some simple starter things to do:

1. Don't deal with big banks. Choose small independent banks.
2. Grow your own food, if you can, or buy as much as you can at local farmer's markets.
3. Stay away from national chain stores as much as possible.

The goal is to deprive the big businesses that are part of the One-world order of as much income as possible.

[BillyC]

"The ethnic and racial differences between individuals and groups are being stressed and agitated while at the same time you are being forced into a "one world government". This, of course, is not without planning. It is for the purpose of creating chaos and confusion within the psyche. In actuality, this serves our purposes also. It is a great deal easier to create change from chaos than it is to bring it about within a stable, static environment."

Handbook for the New Paradigm

Are you suggesting that me and BillyC continue to call each other names then? 

I dont think that is what he means.
I think what he is saying is by continuing this debate we are being distracted from the real problem and playing into the hands of NWO.

It is time for us to agree that I am right and you are wrong and lets move on. 

Peace
Billy C.

[AlanM]

"The ethnic and racial differences between individuals and groups are being stressed and agitated while at the same time you are being forced into a "one world government". This, of course, is not without planning. It is for the purpose of creating chaos and confusion within the psyche. In actuality, this serves our purposes also. It is a great deal easier to create change from chaos than it is to bring it about within a stable, static environment."

Handbook for the New Paradigm

As I see it, we will either have a quiet transition to World Government, or a period of chaos, which will give us a chance to put things right.

[BillyC]

You are right.
Hey here is a thought.
Is there anyone in our group who can teach those of us willing to learn how to do this correctly and ...ahem legaly 

Anyone know of any usefull books?

Some simple starter things to do:

1. Don't deal with big banks. Choose small independent banks.

We use the local credit union, I dont know if that is the same thing???

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2. Grow your own food, if you can, or buy as much as you can at local farmer's markets.
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We try to buy local,  We do want to raise our own garden though.

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3. Stay away from national chain stores as much as possible.
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We have been doing this.
Although it is getting harder to do.

The goal is to deprive the big businesses that are part of the One-world order of as much income as possible.
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Looks like we are half way there but still need to do more.
Thanks for the in

[Lex]

It is time for us to agree that I am right and you are wrong and lets move on. 

On which issue? The one where you want the government to guarantee your job or the one where you want the government to patrol the borders?

[AlanM]

As I see it, we will either have a quiet transition to World Government, or a period of chaos, which will give us a chance to put things right.

I agree. So those who are doing nothing more than contributing to the chaos are making a contribution in their own way.

I definitely agree. By helping to create the chaos on OUR terms, instead of THEIR terms, we stand a better chance. Catch them unawares, before they spring the trap, so to speak.