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Started by AlanM, June 05, 2006, 12:02 PM NHFT

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Lex

Hmmm... i wonder if he pumped it full of chemicals? How else do you get it that big?

tracysaboe

Quote from: AlanM on June 06, 2006, 09:58 AM NHFT
Raspberries are virtually indestructable. I had some raspberry bushes on the side of my lot that the wife wanted removed. I cut them down, dug down a foot or more to remove the roots, and within a week they were sprouting again.

We had Raspberry plants and Strawberry plants in our yard where I grew up. STrawberries didn't do as well, but the Rasberries wer delicious and both were quite edible.

TRacy

Kat Kanning

In Oregon, the blackberries grew everywhere.

In Oklahoma it was cool...garlic and asparagus grew wild in the yard.

AlanM

A lady surprised me at the store today. She started talking about buying a farm somewhere and going back to the simple life. Kept refering to the Amish and how they live. More and more people are getting sick of the rat race and the corporate life. More folks are feeling lost, searching for a firm foundation to their lives. It was nice to chat with her.  :)

FrankChodorov

Quote from: AlanM on June 09, 2006, 10:22 PM NHFT
A lady surprised me at the store today. She started talking about buying a farm somewhere and going back to the simple life. Kept refering to the Amish and how they live. More and more people are getting sick of the rat race and the corporate life. More folks are feeling lost, searching for a firm foundation to their lives. It was nice to chat with her.  :)


sounds like one of those "crunchy cons" Rod Dreher wrote about...

Kat Kanning

We watched a nice movie on that theme, Alan.  It was Off the Map.  It also had a good part about corrupting an IRS agent.

AlanM

Don't know her politics. She's friendly, but never said anything about politics or philosophy and such before now. Late 30's. Commutes to work, somewhere.
I'm finding more and more folks are dissatisfied with the path of their lives. They are yearning for something but aren't sure what that 'something' is. Some are starting to get a vague picture. A few are finding the picture coming into focus.

FrankChodorov

Quote from: AlanM on June 10, 2006, 07:40 AM NHFT
Don't know her politics. She's friendly, but never said anything about politics or philosophy and such before now. Late 30's. Commutes to work, somewhere.
I'm finding more and more folks are dissatisfied with the path of their lives. They are yearning for something but aren't sure what that 'something' is. Some are starting to get a vague picture. A few are finding the picture coming into focus.

Alan,

have you seen or read "Crunchy Cons" yet?

http://www.randomhouse.com/crown/crownforum/catalog/display.pperl?isbn=9781400050642#desc

excerpt:
About This Book
When a National Review colleague teased writer Rod Dreher one day about his visit to the local food co-op to pick up a week?s supply of organic vegetables (?Ewww, that?s so lefty?), he started thinking about the ways he and his conservative family lived that put them outside the bounds of conventional Republican politics. Shortly thereafter Dreher wrote an essay about ?crunchy cons,? people whose ?Small Is Beautiful? style of conservative politics often put them at odds with GOP orthodoxy, and sometimes even in the same camp as lefties outside the Democratic mainstream. The response to the article was impassioned: Dreher was deluged by e-mails from conservatives across America?everyone from a pro-life vegetarian Buddhist Republican to an NRA staffer with a passion for organic gardening?who responded to say, ?Hey, me too!?

In Crunchy Cons, Dreher reports on the amazing depth and scope of this phenomenon, which is redefining the taxonomy of America?s political and cultural landscape. At a time when the Republican party, and the conservative movement in general, is bitterly divided over what it means to be a conservative, Dreher introduces us to people who are pioneering a way back to the future by reclaiming what?s best in conservatism?people who believe that being a truly committed conservative today means protecting the environment, standing against the depredations of big business, returning to traditional religion, and living out conservative godfather Russell Kirk?s teaching that the family is the institution most necessary to preserve.

In these pages we meet crunchy cons from all over America: a Texas clan of evangelical Christian free-range livestock farmers, the policy director of Republicans for Environmental Protection, homeschooling moms in New York City, an Orthodox Jew who helped start a kosher organic farm in the Berkshires, and an ex-sixties hippie from Alabama who became a devout Catholic without losing his antiestablishment sensibilities.

Crunchy Cons is both a useful primer to living the crunchy con way and a passionate affirmation of those things that give our lives weight and measure. In chapters dedicated to food, religion, consumerism, education, and the environment, Dreher shows how to live in a way that preserves what Kirk called ?the permanent things,? among them faith, family, community, and a legacy of ancient truths. This, says Dreher, is the kind of roots conservatism that more and more Americans want to practice. And in Crunchy Cons, he lets them know how far they are from being alone.


A Crunchy Con Manifesto

1. We are conservatives who stand outside the conservative mainstream; therefore, we can see things that matter more clearly.

2. Modern conservatism has become too focused on money, power, and the accumulation of stuff, and insufficiently concerned with the content of our individual and social character.

3. Big business deserves as much skepticism as big government.

4. Culture is more important than politics and economics.

5. A conservatism that does not practice restraint, humility, and good stewardship?especially of the natural world?is not fundamentally conservative.

6. Small, Local, Old, and Particular are almost always better than Big, Global, New, and Abstract.

7. Beauty is more important than efficiency.

8. The relentlessness of media-driven pop culture deadens our senses to authentic truth, beauty, and wisdom.

9. We share Russell Kirk?s conviction that ?the institution most essential to conserve is the family.?

Praise
?Rod Dreher is stirring a controversy that has been too long in coming. He has climbed to the top of the ivory tower and started clanging an alarm bell. It is a wake-up call that all who care about conservative ideas should heed.? ?Wick Allison, former publisher of National Review

Author Biography
Rod Dreher is a writer and editor at the Dallas Morning News, and a conservative journalist who has worked for National Review, the New York Post, and the Washington Times. He bought his first pair of Birkenstocks in 2000 and never looked back.

AlanM

Quote from: FrankChodorov on June 10, 2006, 08:56 AM NHFT
Quote from: AlanM on June 10, 2006, 07:40 AM NHFT
Don't know her politics. She's friendly, but never said anything about politics or philosophy and such before now. Late 30's. Commutes to work, somewhere.
I'm finding more and more folks are dissatisfied with the path of their lives. They are yearning for something but aren't sure what that 'something' is. Some are starting to get a vague picture. A few are finding the picture coming into focus.

Alan,

have you seen or read "Crunchy Cons" yet?

http://www.randomhouse.com/crown/crownforum/catalog/display.pperl?isbn=9781400050642#desc

excerpt:
About This Book
When a National Review colleague teased writer Rod Dreher one day about his visit to the local food co-op to pick up a week?s supply of organic vegetables (?Ewww, that?s so lefty?), he started thinking about the ways he and his conservative family lived that put them outside the bounds of conventional Republican politics. Shortly thereafter Dreher wrote an essay about ?crunchy cons,? people whose ?Small Is Beautiful? style of conservative politics often put them at odds with GOP orthodoxy, and sometimes even in the same camp as lefties outside the Democratic mainstream. The response to the article was impassioned: Dreher was deluged by e-mails from conservatives across America?everyone from a pro-life vegetarian Buddhist Republican to an NRA staffer with a passion for organic gardening?who responded to say, ?Hey, me too!?

In Crunchy Cons, Dreher reports on the amazing depth and scope of this phenomenon, which is redefining the taxonomy of America?s political and cultural landscape. At a time when the Republican party, and the conservative movement in general, is bitterly divided over what it means to be a conservative, Dreher introduces us to people who are pioneering a way back to the future by reclaiming what?s best in conservatism?people who believe that being a truly committed conservative today means protecting the environment, standing against the depredations of big business, returning to traditional religion, and living out conservative godfather Russell Kirk?s teaching that the family is the institution most necessary to preserve.

In these pages we meet crunchy cons from all over America: a Texas clan of evangelical Christian free-range livestock farmers, the policy director of Republicans for Environmental Protection, homeschooling moms in New York City, an Orthodox Jew who helped start a kosher organic farm in the Berkshires, and an ex-sixties hippie from Alabama who became a devout Catholic without losing his antiestablishment sensibilities.

Crunchy Cons is both a useful primer to living the crunchy con way and a passionate affirmation of those things that give our lives weight and measure. In chapters dedicated to food, religion, consumerism, education, and the environment, Dreher shows how to live in a way that preserves what Kirk called ?the permanent things,? among them faith, family, community, and a legacy of ancient truths. This, says Dreher, is the kind of roots conservatism that more and more Americans want to practice. And in Crunchy Cons, he lets them know how far they are from being alone.


A Crunchy Con Manifesto

1. We are conservatives who stand outside the conservative mainstream; therefore, we can see things that matter more clearly.

2. Modern conservatism has become too focused on money, power, and the accumulation of stuff, and insufficiently concerned with the content of our individual and social character.

3. Big business deserves as much skepticism as big government.

4. Culture is more important than politics and economics.

5. A conservatism that does not practice restraint, humility, and good stewardship?especially of the natural world?is not fundamentally conservative.

6. Small, Local, Old, and Particular are almost always better than Big, Global, New, and Abstract.

7. Beauty is more important than efficiency.

8. The relentlessness of media-driven pop culture deadens our senses to authentic truth, beauty, and wisdom.

9. We share Russell Kirk?s conviction that ?the institution most essential to conserve is the family.?

Praise
?Rod Dreher is stirring a controversy that has been too long in coming. He has climbed to the top of the ivory tower and started clanging an alarm bell. It is a wake-up call that all who care about conservative ideas should heed.? ?Wick Allison, former publisher of National Review

Author Biography
Rod Dreher is a writer and editor at the Dallas Morning News, and a conservative journalist who has worked for National Review, the New York Post, and the Washington Times. He bought his first pair of Birkenstocks in 2000 and never looked back.

No, I haven't.
One thing missing from above: Less is more.
By that I mean, less Gov, less Big Business, less consumerism, less dependence outside the family or extended group.

FrankChodorov

Quote from: AlanM on June 10, 2006, 09:02 AM NHFT
Quote from: FrankChodorov on June 10, 2006, 08:56 AM NHFT
Quote from: AlanM on June 10, 2006, 07:40 AM NHFT
Don't know her politics. She's friendly, but never said anything about politics or philosophy and such before now. Late 30's. Commutes to work, somewhere.
I'm finding more and more folks are dissatisfied with the path of their lives. They are yearning for something but aren't sure what that 'something' is. Some are starting to get a vague picture. A few are finding the picture coming into focus.

Alan,

have you seen or read "Crunchy Cons" yet?

http://www.randomhouse.com/crown/crownforum/catalog/display.pperl?isbn=9781400050642#desc

excerpt:
About This Book
When a National Review colleague teased writer Rod Dreher one day about his visit to the local food co-op to pick up a week?s supply of organic vegetables (?Ewww, that?s so lefty?), he started thinking about the ways he and his conservative family lived that put them outside the bounds of conventional Republican politics. Shortly thereafter Dreher wrote an essay about ?crunchy cons,? people whose ?Small Is Beautiful? style of conservative politics often put them at odds with GOP orthodoxy, and sometimes even in the same camp as lefties outside the Democratic mainstream. The response to the article was impassioned: Dreher was deluged by e-mails from conservatives across America?everyone from a pro-life vegetarian Buddhist Republican to an NRA staffer with a passion for organic gardening?who responded to say, ?Hey, me too!?

In Crunchy Cons, Dreher reports on the amazing depth and scope of this phenomenon, which is redefining the taxonomy of America?s political and cultural landscape. At a time when the Republican party, and the conservative movement in general, is bitterly divided over what it means to be a conservative, Dreher introduces us to people who are pioneering a way back to the future by reclaiming what?s best in conservatism?people who believe that being a truly committed conservative today means protecting the environment, standing against the depredations of big business, returning to traditional religion, and living out conservative godfather Russell Kirk?s teaching that the family is the institution most necessary to preserve.

In these pages we meet crunchy cons from all over America: a Texas clan of evangelical Christian free-range livestock farmers, the policy director of Republicans for Environmental Protection, homeschooling moms in New York City, an Orthodox Jew who helped start a kosher organic farm in the Berkshires, and an ex-sixties hippie from Alabama who became a devout Catholic without losing his antiestablishment sensibilities.

Crunchy Cons is both a useful primer to living the crunchy con way and a passionate affirmation of those things that give our lives weight and measure. In chapters dedicated to food, religion, consumerism, education, and the environment, Dreher shows how to live in a way that preserves what Kirk called ?the permanent things,? among them faith, family, community, and a legacy of ancient truths. This, says Dreher, is the kind of roots conservatism that more and more Americans want to practice. And in Crunchy Cons, he lets them know how far they are from being alone.


A Crunchy Con Manifesto

1. We are conservatives who stand outside the conservative mainstream; therefore, we can see things that matter more clearly.

2. Modern conservatism has become too focused on money, power, and the accumulation of stuff, and insufficiently concerned with the content of our individual and social character.

3. Big business deserves as much skepticism as big government.

4. Culture is more important than politics and economics.

5. A conservatism that does not practice restraint, humility, and good stewardship?especially of the natural world?is not fundamentally conservative.

6. Small, Local, Old, and Particular are almost always better than Big, Global, New, and Abstract.

7. Beauty is more important than efficiency.

8. The relentlessness of media-driven pop culture deadens our senses to authentic truth, beauty, and wisdom.

9. We share Russell Kirk?s conviction that ?the institution most essential to conserve is the family.?

Praise
?Rod Dreher is stirring a controversy that has been too long in coming. He has climbed to the top of the ivory tower and started clanging an alarm bell. It is a wake-up call that all who care about conservative ideas should heed.? ?Wick Allison, former publisher of National Review

Author Biography
Rod Dreher is a writer and editor at the Dallas Morning News, and a conservative journalist who has worked for National Review, the New York Post, and the Washington Times. He bought his first pair of Birkenstocks in 2000 and never looked back.

No, I haven't.
One thing missing from above: Less is more.
By that I mean, less Gov, less Big Business, less consumerism, less dependence outside the family or extended group.

less government?
#3,#4,#6

less big business?
#2,#3,#4,#6

less consumerism?
#2,#3,#4,#5,#6,#7,#8

less dependence outide,family/tribe?
#9

AlanM

Quote from: FrankChodorov on June 10, 2006, 09:08 AM NHFT
Quote from: AlanM on June 10, 2006, 09:02 AM NHFT
Quote from: FrankChodorov on June 10, 2006, 08:56 AM NHFT
Quote from: AlanM on June 10, 2006, 07:40 AM NHFT
Don't know her politics. She's friendly, but never said anything about politics or philosophy and such before now. Late 30's. Commutes to work, somewhere.
I'm finding more and more folks are dissatisfied with the path of their lives. They are yearning for something but aren't sure what that 'something' is. Some are starting to get a vague picture. A few are finding the picture coming into focus.

Alan,

have you seen or read "Crunchy Cons" yet?

http://www.randomhouse.com/crown/crownforum/catalog/display.pperl?isbn=9781400050642#desc

excerpt:
About This Book
When a National Review colleague teased writer Rod Dreher one day about his visit to the local food co-op to pick up a week?s supply of organic vegetables (?Ewww, that?s so lefty?), he started thinking about the ways he and his conservative family lived that put them outside the bounds of conventional Republican politics. Shortly thereafter Dreher wrote an essay about ?crunchy cons,? people whose ?Small Is Beautiful? style of conservative politics often put them at odds with GOP orthodoxy, and sometimes even in the same camp as lefties outside the Democratic mainstream. The response to the article was impassioned: Dreher was deluged by e-mails from conservatives across America?everyone from a pro-life vegetarian Buddhist Republican to an NRA staffer with a passion for organic gardening?who responded to say, ?Hey, me too!?

In Crunchy Cons, Dreher reports on the amazing depth and scope of this phenomenon, which is redefining the taxonomy of America?s political and cultural landscape. At a time when the Republican party, and the conservative movement in general, is bitterly divided over what it means to be a conservative, Dreher introduces us to people who are pioneering a way back to the future by reclaiming what?s best in conservatism?people who believe that being a truly committed conservative today means protecting the environment, standing against the depredations of big business, returning to traditional religion, and living out conservative godfather Russell Kirk?s teaching that the family is the institution most necessary to preserve.

In these pages we meet crunchy cons from all over America: a Texas clan of evangelical Christian free-range livestock farmers, the policy director of Republicans for Environmental Protection, homeschooling moms in New York City, an Orthodox Jew who helped start a kosher organic farm in the Berkshires, and an ex-sixties hippie from Alabama who became a devout Catholic without losing his antiestablishment sensibilities.

Crunchy Cons is both a useful primer to living the crunchy con way and a passionate affirmation of those things that give our lives weight and measure. In chapters dedicated to food, religion, consumerism, education, and the environment, Dreher shows how to live in a way that preserves what Kirk called ?the permanent things,? among them faith, family, community, and a legacy of ancient truths. This, says Dreher, is the kind of roots conservatism that more and more Americans want to practice. And in Crunchy Cons, he lets them know how far they are from being alone.


A Crunchy Con Manifesto

1. We are conservatives who stand outside the conservative mainstream; therefore, we can see things that matter more clearly.

2. Modern conservatism has become too focused on money, power, and the accumulation of stuff, and insufficiently concerned with the content of our individual and social character.

3. Big business deserves as much skepticism as big government.

4. Culture is more important than politics and economics.

5. A conservatism that does not practice restraint, humility, and good stewardship?especially of the natural world?is not fundamentally conservative.

6. Small, Local, Old, and Particular are almost always better than Big, Global, New, and Abstract.

7. Beauty is more important than efficiency.

8. The relentlessness of media-driven pop culture deadens our senses to authentic truth, beauty, and wisdom.

9. We share Russell Kirk?s conviction that ?the institution most essential to conserve is the family.?

Praise
?Rod Dreher is stirring a controversy that has been too long in coming. He has climbed to the top of the ivory tower and started clanging an alarm bell. It is a wake-up call that all who care about conservative ideas should heed.? ?Wick Allison, former publisher of National Review

Author Biography
Rod Dreher is a writer and editor at the Dallas Morning News, and a conservative journalist who has worked for National Review, the New York Post, and the Washington Times. He bought his first pair of Birkenstocks in 2000 and never looked back.

No, I haven't.
One thing missing from above: Less is more.
By that I mean, less Gov, less Big Business, less consumerism, less dependence outside the family or extended group.

less government?
#3,#4,#6

less big business?
#2,#3,#4,#6

less consumerism?
#2,#3,#4,#5,#6,#7,#8

less dependence outide,family/tribe?
#9

Just meant it should be a category of its own. Stress the 'less' in every aspect of our lives.

FrankChodorov

how about "Reactionary Radicals and Front Porch Anarchists" by Bill Kauffman?

have you seen or read that yet?

http://www.reactionaryradicals.com/?page_id=3

excerpt:
ABOUT THE BOOK
In Look Homeward, America, Bill Kauffman introduces us to the reactionary radicals, front-porch anarchists, and traditionalist rebels who give American culture and politics its pith, vim, and life. Blending history, memoir, digressive literariness, and polemic, Kauffman provides fresh portaiture of such American originals as Catholic Worker founder Dorothy Day, regionalist painter Grant Wood, farmer-writer Wendell Berry, publisher Henry Regnery, maverick U.S. senators Eugene McCarthy and Daniel Patrick Moynihan, and other Americans who can?t?or shouldn?t?be filed away in the usual boxes labeled ?liberal? and ?conservative.? Ranging from Millard Fillmore to Easy Rider, from Robert Frost to Mother Jones, Kauffman limns an alternative America that draws its breath from local cultures, traditional liberties, small-scale institutions, and neighborliness. There is an America left that is worth saving: these are its paragons, its poets, its pantheon.   [Order This Book]

INTRODUCTION
I am an American patriot. A Jeffersonian decentralist. A fanatical localist. And I am an anarchist. Not a sallow garret-rat translating Proudhon by pirated kilowatt, nor a militiaman catechized by the Classic Comics version of The Turner Diaries; rather, I am the love child of Henry Thoreau and Dorothy Day, conceived amidst the asters and goldenrod of an Upstate New York autumn. Like so many of the subjects of this book, I am also a reactionary radical, which is to say I believe in peace and justice but I do not believe in smart bombs, daycare centers, Wal-Mart, television, or Melissa Etheridge?s test-tube baby.   [More ?]

AlanM


dawn

Quote from: katdillon on June 05, 2006, 01:13 PM NHFT
We've been gardening with Dawn...and also Kira and I started looking into what can be foraged.

The gardening is great. Gets me outside breaking a sweat on a regular basis. We are going the organic route so we have lots of PESTS! But Kat brought over some killer (well hopefully!) bug juice - hot peppers and garlic and soap. I have seen quite a wide variety of bugs - aphids, ants (eating my strawberries and running all over the rest of the garden), cutworms, squash bugs and others that I don't know the names of (yet). I put down the bag of diametous (sp?) earth that Kat brought over. Plus lots of handpicking and squishing!

In regards to foraging - I am very interested in learning what is and is not edible in the area. Another valuable skill. Maybe someone has this skill and can take the rest of us on a foraging walk????

Kat Kanning

There's at least one movie in the Keene library on foraging.