Property Taxes are Communism

[Caleb]

But Tracey, some people actively argue for the Fair Tax ...

Bill's property tax is actually a reduction on what we have now. (You only pay on the unimproved land value, not buildings.)  In that sense, its an improvement, though it may not reach the ideal.

Bill promotes secession, whereas you have other active members of this forum who are actively fighting that idea.  They are not on the same page as you in that respect.

If you want to take points of deviation from an anarchist perspective, you're going to have to attack nearly everyone on the forum.

Caleb

[tracysaboe]

Actually Bill advocates taxing people the same amount of money but just saying it's only on the unimproved land so that it's value neutral.

It's exactly the same thing, with just a new name. This is because it's not really possible to seperate the unimproved land from the value created by people working on it.

The people that argue for Fair TAx aren't libertarians either. They're not arguing to strengthing the government. They're looking for a way to enable it to stay as big and bloated as it is.

I'm not taking points off for not being an anarchist. I'm not even taking points off for not being a minarchist.

I'm taking points off because while everybody else in NH is working to reduce government and taxes -- he's lobying the mayor of Manchester (or wherever, it's been a while now, I don't remember.) That we can actually increase revenue to the state with just a "tax shift" by only taxing the unimprove land values. But then when pressed He's talking about taxing the land value itself at a much higher rate so in essense it's the same amount. Plus it's a welfare scheme in many ways (or at least a money transfer scheme -- depending on how you define wealth) which means the city needs to have a beurocracy to tabulate exactly who the net owers and net recievers are (and of course take their cut out of the middle.)

You see he's much more then a minarchist who thinks government should build roads defense, police, Fire dept, etc. He wants a beurocracy actively involved in taking money from one group of people (the landed) and giving it to another.

And when he speaks of secession. He doesn't want NH independent, he wants it to join Vermont and Maine and beg the UN for enterence into their organization.

He doesn't have any interest in actually cutting the size of government. He just wants to change it into his particular vision. As long as government is stealing money from the landed and giving it to the unlanded, he could care less about it's bloated socialist police state nature.

If this wasn't the case, don't you think he'd be actively working on things libertarians agree on instead of pushing this pet thing all the time?

why doesn't he do any activism against the war on drugs, or about cutting taxes for everybody, or cutting government spending or supporting free speach, or Gun rights?

I'll tell you why. He doesn't give a Rat's Ass about any of those libertarian causes. As long as he's unlanded and getting money from people with land, He thinks he's free. Well he wouldn't be. He'd just be another version of a welfare sucking parasite.

I've been going round and round with this person for years on various message boards. And he never has an answer for why he doesn't work on other issues or why he never seems to have an oppinion about any other libertarian cause.

I'm moving to New Hampshire to fight property taxes as the most vile form of Serfdom, and he's there actively lobbying the government to do it a "better" way to make it even more ingrained then it already is!

And what's worse, he claims to be a free stater and a libertarian which gives the rest of us a very bad name if we let him.

There are many things libertarians can disagree on. But believing that property taxes are noble and good and neccessary for a just society is not one of them. If he was actually using this as a meathod to try and cut property taxes in general, that would be one thing. I understand we're not going to reduce property taxes dramatically overnight. But he's not. It's a pet welfare scheme.

Anyway,

Tracy

[transman004]

Hello Y'all,
I'm new here on the forums. I joined the FSP a number of years ago, participated in the voting and opted out of NH.
New Hampshire has been in the news quite a bit in the last month or so. Things are getting very opressive in the S & C state of Georgia lately. So, I have been looking into visiting the free state.
I recieved a flyer in the mail describing allodial title and land patents, no social security number, etc. and was wondering about the things described therein. Does anyone here know about or practice this sort of thing?
I was looking into such things as property tax, jobs, etc. before I make the commitment to move to NH.

[Lex]

Hello Y'all,
I'm new here on the forums. I joined the FSP a number of years ago, participated in the voting and opted out of NH.
New Hampshire has been in the news quite a bit in the last month or so. Things are getting very opressive in the S & C state of Georgia lately. So, I have been looking into visiting the free state.
I recieved a flyer in the mail describing allodial title and land patents, no social security number, etc. and was wondering about the things described therein. Does anyone here know about or practice this sort of thing?
I was looking into such things as property tax, jobs, etc. before I make the commitment to move to NH.

You should probably make a new thread in the Ask Questions of NH Residents forum and post your question there 

[Dreepa]

I recieved a flyer in the mail describing allodial title and land patents, no social security number, etc. and was wondering about the things described therein. Does anyone here know about or practice this sort of thing?
I was looking into such things as property tax, jobs, etc. before I make the commitment to move to NH.

Come up to Porcfest in 2 weeks.  There will be lots of NH residents to ask questions and you can visit some places.