Take Back our Beaches...

[tracysaboe]

when a parent sets up a "trust" for their children and then assigns a trustee does that mean the trustee owns the money in the trust?

no - they have a fiduciary responsibility to protect the asset and grow the principle.
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But in the case of the STate being "trustee" the answer is yes, because they state has no such Fiduciary responsibility to the citizens and tax-payers. If the water becomes worth less because of mis-management -- they'll just tax more to make up for it.

TRacy

[FrankChodorov]

But in the case of the STate being "trustee" the answer is yes, because they state has no such Fiduciary responsibility to the citizens and tax-payers. If the water becomes worth less because of mis-management -- they'll just tax more to make up for it.

that is what a "trustee" means...

the economic rent is set by the market...

[Fluff and Stuff]

I agree with Chodorov on this one.
Caleb

Of course you do.  I bet Max would also agree if he was not in the ocean.

[Dreepa]

There is only 18 miles of coastline in NH. I want to own it all.

I was just at Lake Winnipesaukee this past week.  'public' access seems very far apart and the state wants to charge a few to put a boat in.

Lot of Ahole boaters on the Lake this weekend.

[Fluff and Stuff]

There is only 18 miles of coastline in NH. I want to own it all.

I was just at Lake Winnipesaukee this past week.  'public' access seems very far apart and the state wants to charge a few to put a boat in.

Lot of Ahole boaters on the Lake this weekend.

My boss, a frenche from Mass, said his crew used to go up to the lake every weekend in the summer.  Most of those aholes are likely massholes 

[FrankChodorov]

There is only 18 miles of coastline in NH. I want to own it all.

I was just at Lake Winnipesaukee this past week.  'public' access seems very far apart and the state wants to charge a few to put a boat in.

Lot of Ahole boaters on the Lake this weekend.

the commons is between high and low waterline...

both Squam and Sunapee had very public fights about being required by the state to provide more public access...

[Braddogg]

the commons is between high and low waterline...

Frank, can I just own all of the property at the high-water line and cut off access that way?

[tracysaboe]

People can actually own water and ocean rights too. 

TRacy

[Dreepa]

My boss, a frenche from Mass, said his crew used to go up to the lake every weekend in the summer.  Most of those aholes are likely massholes 

Indeed because my friend with the boat is from MA.  Although he is a Masshole he does know the rules of boating.

[FrankChodorov]

the commons is between high and low waterline...

Frank, can I just own all of the property at the high-water line and cut off access that way?

not in NH you can't...all lakes and the ocean have to have public access.

once you have public access you can walk anywhere you want at low tide.

at high tide you can wade up to your ankles anywhere you want.

[Braddogg]

the commons is between high and low waterline...

Frank, can I just own all of the property at the high-water line and cut off access that way?

not in NH you can't...all lakes and the ocean have to have public access.

once you have public access you can walk anywhere you want at low tide.

at high tide you can wade up to your ankles anywhere you want.

Okay, then it is deceptive to say that the commons are only between the high-water mark and the low-water mark, because "public access" to the shores also entails some sort of common ownership between the roads and the shores which cannot be privately owned.

[FrankChodorov]

the commons is between high and low waterline...

Frank, can I just own all of the property at the high-water line and cut off access that way?

not in NH you can't...all lakes and the ocean have to have public access.

once you have public access you can walk anywhere you want at low tide.

at high tide you can wade up to your ankles anywhere you want.

Okay, then it is deceptive to say that the commons are only between the high-water mark and the low-water mark, because "public access" to the shores also entails some sort of common ownership between the roads and the shores which cannot be privately owned.

you can have a legal right of way through someone's private property.

[aries]

you can have a legal right of way through someone's private property.

And in China you can have a legal forced abortion.
In Germany you could go to a legal labor camp.
And in America, you have a legal obligaton to let others use your land.

[FrankChodorov]

And in America, you have a legal obligaton to let others use your land.

see Jefferson's use of the term "usufruct"

it literally means a "use of the fruit"

[Braddogg]

And in America, you have a legal obligaton to let others use your land.

see Jefferson's use of the term "usufruct"

it literally means a "use of the fruit"

Oh, Jefferson was on your side?  Why didn't you say so in the first place!  The authority of Jefferson greatly outweighs any sort of argument from morality y'all have been discussing.  You could have saved us a lot of time