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[Dreepa]

Mormon -- Fastest growing 'sect' of Christianity

A lot of Christians don't consider Mormons to be Christians.

Which to me is funny.

Believe in Christ?  Then I would suppose you would be Christian. Mormons believe in Christ ergo they are Christians.

I know many people growing up said that Catholics weren't Christian either.

[Thespis]

Believe in Christ?  Then I would suppose you would be Christian. Mormons believe in Christ ergo they are Christians.

I know many people growing up said that Catholics weren't Christian either.

It's been a long time since I studied this (at least 10 years ago in a Baptist summer camp, and a book my dad gave me), but from what I remember, Mormons believe Christ was a prophet, but not the son of God. And, they believe that you (as in humans) can become gods.

[Thespis]

I'd like to add, that this is what I was taught years ago, among other things I no longer believe. So, I won't be surprised if it's wrong.

[Thespis]

I was partly right. Mormons believe that God was once a mortal, like us with a flesh and blood body, and he managed to exalt himself. They don't believe in the Trinity. They believe in the Godhead, which is made up of God, Jesus, and the Holy Spirit. But, not as different aspects of one being, but as three seperate beings. They don't believe in original sin, and the only people who are saved through Christ alone are the mentally unaccountable and children. Everyone else has to exalt themselves through their actions plus Christ. In other words, salvation is earned, it is not a gift.

Also, sorry for hijacking the thread.

[tracysaboe]

Catholic  -- largest 'sect' of Christianity
Mormon -- Fastest growing 'sect' of Christianity

It's debatable whether you can even call mormonism Christianity. Living in Idaho that was huge.

Tracy

[tracysaboe]

Believe in Christ?  Then I would suppose you would be Christian. Mormons believe in Christ ergo they are Christians.

I know many people growing up said that Catholics weren't Christian either.

It's been a long time since I studied this (at least 10 years ago in a Baptist summer camp, and a book my dad gave me), but from what I remember, Mormons believe Christ was a prophet, but not the son of God. And, they believe that you (as in humans) can become gods.

No that's about right.  Mormon's are more New Age religion then they are Christian. They also believe Satan and Jesus are brothers.

Tracy

[Pat McCotter]

Mormon -- Fastest growing 'sect' of Christianity

A lot of Christians don't consider Mormons to be Christians.

Which to me is funny.

Believe in Christ?  Then I would suppose you would be Christian. Mormons believe in Christ ergo they are Christians.

I know many people growing up said that Catholics weren't Christian either.

What about Messianic Jews?

[Dreepa]

So would someone define what a Christian is?

I find it unreal that 'Christians' don't think that Catholics and Mormons are Christian (ya know they believe in Christ)

Everyone else has to exalt themselves through their actions plus Christ.

Uhmm don't normal people think that it should be their actions that count.... not just some 'saving grace'.

Tracy the Mormons believe 100% in the Old and New Testaments.  That sounds pretty Christian to me.

[Dreepa]

Catholics aren't Christians...says so right in their church manuals.

Can you find an source for that?

[tracysaboe]

Tracy the Mormons believe 100% in the Old and New Testaments.  That sounds pretty Christian to me.

You don't need to quote their retoric to me. I grew up with them all around me.

They even say that the Bible is Superior to the Book of Morman if there's a contradiction.

But when pressed the Book of Morman is what they really believe. They believe numerous things that are directly contradicted in the Bible. They say it doesn't matter how Jesus died. Even though the whole point of his death was to fullfill all the prophesy of the old testement (which they say they also believe.)

They believe they themselves will be elevated to God Hood -- which is really the same hubris sin lucifer had -- to be like God.

They believe that Adam and Eve were steril and that the only reason got gave us sex was because of our follen nature. Even though God commanded Adam and Eve to populate the earth in Genisus before the fall.

Trust me.  I grew up around them. They're beliefs are radically different even though they claim to have the same Bible. (And a Book of Mormon suplement.)

I do know some Mormans who I truly believe found Christ in spite of the convolutedness of mormonism.  (God will reveal himself to anybody who searches for Him.)  But for the most part, it's a cult.
Tracy

[Thespis]

So would someone define what a Christian is?

Christians believe in the Trinity, which is three aspects of one being, Father, Son, and Holy Spirit. God became flesh (Jesus) in order to take on the sins of everyone on the cross. He rose from the grave three days later, appeared to his disciples and a few others, then ascended back into heaven. By dying on the cross, Jesus basically canceled out original sin. When Adam and Eve ate of the forbidden fruit they doomed the human race to death. But, by accepting Christ into one's heart, you become saved, insuring that you avoid Hell and go to Heaven. Catholics and Protestants both believe this. This makes them both Christian groups. I'm not sure why some Protestants don't consider Catholics Christians. It's probably based on the history of animosity between the two groups since the Protestant Church split from the Catholic Church.

The main difference is that Catholics believe that you have to confess to a priest to atone for your sins, and you can't pray to Jesus directly. You have to go through his mother, Mary. They also have a couple of extra books in their Bibles.

Neither believe that humans are anything other than creations of God.

Mormons believe that both God and Jesus had flesh and bone bodies, but were able to exalt themselves to godhood. They believe that anyone can exalt himself to godhood.

I know, it's hard to draw a distinction when you haven't been brought up believing in Christianity (I'm assuming this is the case based on your questions), but it is there.

[tracysaboe]

Actually Catholics believe you can pray directly to Jesus also. They just believe you can pray to mary or other saints too because of the "communion of the saints"  which is from the Bible. That's how they interpret it.

I think the main reason some of the more fundamental protestents don't believe Catholics are really Christians is because many of them don't believe Jesus is the only way.

However -- that problem runs rampant in almost every denomination these days.

Tracy

[KBCraig]

Wow. Talk about thread drift!

[tracysaboe]

lil dog started it!

He told me there was no Easter Bunny!

Tracy

[Pat McCotter]

So, let's see here. Jews, Muslims, Buddhists, Taoists, Hindus, and any others who don't accept Christ are going to hell? To quote Penn Jillette "BULLSHIT!"

I am a deist. I believe in a god who wants us to enjoy his creation and pushes us in that direction. If we stop and smell the roses, enjoy the sound of the loon in the morning, feel the wind rushing past us in a howling storm, taste the burst of flavor as a Concord grape pops in our mouths or sit and watch the sun rise over the ocean to the east we will be rewarded with more and more happiness.

This reward will be here in this lifetime. I don't worry about my reward/punishment in the next life. Whatever happens happens. I am content enjoying the here and now.