After Action Review: Russell v. IRS

[firsty]

Bingo.

see? i'm not entirely ignorant.

you have to understand - while we outstaters may not fully understand the NH situation, there are some of us who appreciate reality. even if the majority of people in my region voted for rick santorum a few yrs back. there are still a few of us with a brain.

[FrankChodorov]

Sorry, Frank. I wish I had 23 hours per day to correct all of your mistakes, but I don't.

Don't worry Mike. I'm sure there's a support group for people like us who keep trying to help statists see the light.
Ermmm... I guess it's called "FSP"

a statist is someone who believes the state's privilege granting ability should be used to benefit a specific ruling group by violating the "god-given" right to self-ownership of those the privilege excludes.

by this definition I am not a statist.

on the otherhand a legitimate local authority (government) is justified in using force to protect the "god-given" right to self-ownership by insuring that any privileges granted do not FORCE a legal and monetary obligation on those being excluded.

by this definition I am an individualist anarchist in the Albert J. Nock mold.

in an anarcho-capitalist dystopia those who enclose plunder those who are excluded with private armies and call it freedom.

[firsty]

where does bono vox fit into that?

[d_goddard]

by this definition I am not a statist.

I didn't say you are a statist, Frank.
Your posts seem minarchist to me.
I know I'll get crucified, but I think you're correct on a lot of points -- once one concedes that there is a State, and that such a state is indeed what we're working with here.

As to whether there should be a state, I don't care enough to post. It's philosophising about pinheads and angels.
We're all in agreement that the current state has too much power. I'm happy to leave it at that, and nitpick the details only at such a point as they become significant.

[Braddogg]

volunteering is extremely important, and is possibly the best way to express the interconnectedness of all people in a positive way. i respect those methods deeply.

I agree.  Volunteering and charity is a well-used and successful way to get people to trust you enough to thrust you into government power.  Ask Hamas.

[maineiac]

d_g - if "protests" is too broad a term, i apologize. i advocate whatever methods are necessary, to be decided by the peopel in the mix. i may have been sloppy in trying to debate with frankchederov.

i fully support what russell did, i dont feel it was outside the law; i'm sorry if i provoked some underlying feelings about outofstaters.

the appropriate question is do the citizens of NH feel it was "outside the law"

there will be a time for CD but there is no need to provoke the federal government now.

if we are indeed as many people are starting to realize in the last throws of empire (all empires go down eventually) there will be alot more serious repression coming our way which will work towards our advantage.

the time now is to build the new society in the shell of the old and look for left/right alliances and work on a common vision that gets people thinking outside of the box.

It's throes, you fucking dolt!
I might not have posted this had you not shown minus 200+ something karma points . . .

mkay

[FrankChodorov]

by this definition I am not a statist.

I didn't say you are a statist, Frank.
Your posts seem minarchist to me.
I know I'll get crucified, but I think you're correct on a lot of points -- once one concedes that there is a State, and that such a state is indeed what we're working with here.

As to whether there should be a state, I don't care enough to post. It's philosophising about pinheads and angels.
We're all in agreement that the current state has too much power. I'm happy to leave it at that, and nitpick the details only at such a point as they become significant.

thanks - I was trying to draw a distinction between an illegitimate authority called the "state" and legitimate authority called "local government"...

[Russell Kanning]

I can really understand why NH natives hate the free staters so much.

They don't hate me or my friends. I have had people thank me for moving here and many more are excited about the possibilities.
NH is better than places like MA, but the property taxes are way too high .... and they are collected by force. We do not live in freedom in NH, unless we live outside the laws of the organized crime groups here. Oh ..... and the feds are roaming free in our state, which is very dangerous.

[Russell Kanning]

?Welcome to New Hampshire, Now Leave?

I find that phrase very unpleasant and not something to be emulated. I have found the people of NH to be friendly and welcoming. I think we should encourage that sort of behavior towards each other.

[d_goddard]

?Welcome to New Hampshire, Now Leave?

I find that phrase very unpleasant and not something to be emulated. I have found the people of NH to be friendly and welcoming. I think we should encourage that sort of behavior towards each other.

I was empathizing with Money Dollars. 
Surely that's a sign that it's time to step away from the keyboard and get a little fresh air.

[FrankChodorov]

the property taxes are way to high .... and they are collected by force

remember our little conversation in Concord at the Chinese buffet when you agreed with me that if all lands in NH are legally claimed/occupied then someone coming to NH would be forced to pay a landowner to exist *somewhere*?

if NH ever achieves anarchy the force will come from the landowners and their hired private army...

[Lex]

if NH ever achieves anarchy the force will come from the landowners and their hired private army...

I see, it's evil to be a land owner. They are the burgoisie, right?

[FrankChodorov]

if NH ever achieves anarchy the force will come from the landowners and their hired private army...

I see, it's evil to be a land owner.

no - private land ownership is necessary to continue to support the number of people we can on the planet.

but it is only rightful and just so long as you are not infringing upon the equal individual rights of all others.

[tracysaboe]

but the property taxes are way too high

(Sorry, I can't help myself. Even I know that one.)

Tracy

NH is better than places like MA, but the property taxes are way to high