Survive!

[Lex]

I don't take any medication or vitamins or anything else other than yummy food

That food you eat is full of vitamins, and the meat you eat is full of drugs(medications).

I think you will agree that there is a difference between the vitamins you get in a capsul and the vitamins you get from your food.

We try not to eat a lot of meat but you're right, we probably get a fair dosage of hormones and what not through the meat we eat. My wife has found some local farmers that sell grass fed beef that is also less medicated, we'll see how that works out.

Are you staying that you will not take any medications in the future?

If i'm sick and the medication is the only thing that will help me I will take it in a heart beat. If I just have a cold or something I will probably not take anything. If I'm terminally sick and the chance of the medicine working is 10% but I have to take it a million times a day and be in the hospital I would probably rather be home and die happily with my family.

Do your wife and kid go by this too?

I think my wife believes the same thing. Our daughter doesn't talk yet so we aren't able to ask her. She had black poop and we took her to the doctor turned out it was just from eating blueberries. Otherwise she's not on any medication.

What about you M.D.? Have your kids been vaccinated?

10 copies should be showing up today......
The Gift Shop is located in the museum.

I'll take a look when I get a chance.

[firsty]

to confirm, yes, abbie was a yippie, not a hippie. he was also associated with other radical groups around the nixon era such as the black panthers.

the book is meant to be a handbook for both survival and revolution.

here is something i've taken from one of my quotes on the site:

Most of all, have some fun. If you read the original text, you will see that Abbie had a tremendous amount of fun writing this book. It's obvious from his writing that he enjoyed these tricks, he enjoyed discovering them, and he enjoyed being able to apply them to the larger, great cause of change.

So, have fun. Be lighthearted. Dont stop with the heavy stuff, but also include some fun stuff.

We dont want change for the sake of change. We want change because we want our lives as Americans to be, somehow, better, to live up to the goals expressed over 200 years ago by those pot-smoking, wig-wearing freaks. So, if we cant have fun trying to make our lives more free and fun, we have a problem.

And I dont think it's US with the problem. We all know that it's THEM with the problem!

here is something else i wrote:

I may not agree with every bit of reference in this book, but that is why I?m involved in it. I may not hold values identical to each contributing writer or editor, and in some ways may differ critically, but that is why I?m involved in it, and that is why they are involved in it, too. This isn't about promoting one of those ?isms, one of those broad beliefs. This isn't about promoting socialism or communism or capitalism or ism ism ism ism ism. This is about helping fellow citizens who, for a number of reasons and coming from a billion different points of view, feel the need for change. Dramatic change. But not a change to simply one thing, one ism or one source of cash. Rather a change to the one original thing, the set of ideas that America was founded upon. The things we want are not new or revolutionary. That this can be considered revolutionary is an (appropriate) insult to our social, political and economic leaders in the first place, and it?s also an insult to us, rightly so.

i strongly encourage you to at least browse thru the wiki and see what is there, what abbie originally wrote, what members have already contributed as new content, and see for yourself how it might fit your views/goals/etc. this is meant to be inclusive of all those who want change. because it's a wiki, anyone can edit. because the original has already been written, we have no desire to simply rewrite the original. times have changed. ideas have evolved. if you think you dont need a book like this, consider if what you've learned might be useful to others in helping them get to where you are.

whee!

[Lex]

here is something else i wrote:

I may not agree with every bit of reference in this book, but that is why I?m involved in it. I may not hold values identical to each contributing writer or editor, and in some ways may differ critically, but that is why I?m involved in it, and that is why they are involved in it, too. This isn't about promoting one of those ?isms, one of those broad beliefs. This isn't about promoting socialism or communism or capitalism or ism ism ism ism ism. This is about helping fellow citizens who, for a number of reasons and coming from a billion different points of view, feel the need for change. Dramatic change. But not a change to simply one thing, one ism or one source of cash. Rather a change to the one original thing, the set of ideas that America was founded upon. The things we want are not new or revolutionary. That this can be considered revolutionary is an (appropriate) insult to our social, political and economic leaders in the first place, and it?s also an insult to us, rightly so.

What are those ideas?

[firsty]

here is something else i wrote:

I may not agree with every bit of reference in this book, but that is why I?m involved in it. I may not hold values identical to each contributing writer or editor, and in some ways may differ critically, but that is why I?m involved in it, and that is why they are involved in it, too. This isn't about promoting one of those ?isms, one of those broad beliefs. This isn't about promoting socialism or communism or capitalism or ism ism ism ism ism. This is about helping fellow citizens who, for a number of reasons and coming from a billion different points of view, feel the need for change. Dramatic change. But not a change to simply one thing, one ism or one source of cash. Rather a change to the one original thing, the set of ideas that America was founded upon. The things we want are not new or revolutionary. That this can be considered revolutionary is an (appropriate) insult to our social, political and economic leaders in the first place, and it?s also an insult to us, rightly so.

What are those ideas?

you can find them in the US constitution. theyre numbered for easy review.

[Lex]

you can find them in the US constitution. theyre numbered for easy review.

Constitutionalism then, huh?

As far as I can see everything that is happening today is allowed by the constitution. It is vague enough and broad enough that just about anything can be done by our government and justified by pointing to some part of the constitution.

[firsty]

are you serious?

???

[firsty]

ok this right here is a meaningless post simply because right now i have 6 karma points and 66 posts and i cant handle that.

now it's 67 posts. thats better.

[Money Dollars]

If i'm sick and the medication is the only thing that will help me I will take it in a heart beat. If I just have a cold or something I will probably not take anything. If I'm terminally sick and the chance of the medicine working is 10% but I have to take it a million times a day and be in the hospital I would probably rather be home and die happily with my family.

I'm pretty much the same way, but I don't have a problem taking asprin or acetaminophen for a head ache. As a matter of fact, I am going to take 1000 mg of acetaminophen right now.....  I rather smoke some dope or sleep it off, but that isn't always an option while at work

What about you M.D.? Have your kids been vaccinated?

Some have been. My first kid got first shots at 10 months, first 3 kids(born in hospitals w/midwives) had shots for their first 2 years.....homebirth kids = no shots..just foot prick for blood test, state mandate apparently....meds: once for one kid for ear infection, twice for 2 kids with pink eye, asprin for fevers above 100 for more than a day...CT peds were not pushy, army peds WERE pushy, Nashua nurses ARE pushy (fucking assholes).

[Money Dollars]

As far as I can see everything that is happening today is allowed by the constitution. It is vague enough and broad enough that just about anything can be done by our government and justified by pointing to some part of the constitution.

Not only that, but the constitution allowed fuck up things when it was first written. I hope we never go back to what they ment when they wrote it.....

[firsty]

you people cant be serious.

most laws deemed constitutional are done so based more on precedent than on the constitution itself.

making drugs illegal is unconstitutional (otherwise, they wouldnt have had to create an amendment for prohibition)

unwarranted wiretapping is unconstitutional

most of the patriot act is unconstitutional

the issues about the confiscated CDs in NH is unconstitutional

seizing cash from a car is unconstitutional

etc etc etc

am i on mars already?

[bailey228]

Some have been. My first kid got first shots at 10 months, first 3 kids(born in hospitals w/midwives) had shots for their first 2 years.....homebirth kids = no shots..just foot prick for blood test, state mandate apparently....meds: once for one kid for ear infection, twice for 2 kids with pink eye, asprin for fevers above 100 for more than a day...CT peds were not pushy, army peds WERE pushy, Nashua nurses ARE pushy (fucking assholes).

A fever of 100 is not high at all. Medicating a fever (artifically reducing it) will cause you to be sick longer than you would have been if the fever had been allowed to run it's course. A fever kills germs, a fever is a good thing. I would only medicate if my daughter had a fever of 104 for more than a few days or had a very high fever and was unresponsive. If the fever got over 104 at all I'd concider medicating then based on how my daughter was acting. Also, asprin is not safe for anyone under 18 (I'd aruge it's safety for anyone over 18 as well) I very very rarely medicate for anything at all because I am not convinced of the safety of any drug. Tylenol is now being proven to be much more dangerous than originally thought. Many kids die each year from taking even recomended doses of Tylenol.

Oh, and no Eukreign, we don't eat any food containing antibiotics, pesticides, or hormones. I only buy natural/organic food.

[Minsk]

am i on mars already?

I think that was another thread

Given the weasel words that are in your constitution, and the amendments particularly, using it as a legal reference would be hard. And IMO would produce something very much like what your justice system is doing to it... "reasonable", "just" and such just mean that the loss of freedoms has to be slow, so the definitions have time to be changed.

[firsty]

Some have been. My first kid got first shots at 10 months, first 3 kids(born in hospitals w/midwives) had shots for their first 2 years.....homebirth kids = no shots..just foot prick for blood test, state mandate apparently....meds: once for one kid for ear infection, twice for 2 kids with pink eye, asprin for fevers above 100 for more than a day...CT peds were not pushy, army peds WERE pushy, Nashua nurses ARE pushy (fucking assholes).

A fever of 100 is not high at all. Medicating a fever (artifically reducing it) will cause you to be sick longer than you would have been if the fever had been allowed to run it's course. A fever kills germs, a fever is a good thing. I would only medicate if my daughter had a fever of 104 for more than a few days or had a very high fever and was unresponsive. If the fever got over 104 at all I'd concider medicating then based on how my daughter was acting. Also, asprin is not safe for anyone under 18 (I'd aruge it's safety for anyone over 18 as well) I very very rarely medicate for anything at all because I am not convinced of the safety of any drug. Tylenol is now being proven to be much more dangerous than originally thought. Many kids die each year from taking even recomended doses of Tylenol.

Oh, and no Eukreign, we don't eat any food containing antibiotics, pesticides, or hormones. I only buy natural/organic food.

aspirin is still good for people who need a blood thinner, but you're right about kids taking it, as far as i know.

for young children, 104 is an extremely high fever. you dont need to medicate, but once it looks like it's rising over 100, start in with the baths. the danger with kids with fevers is dehydration. with my boyz, they often have associated symptoms, like a sore throat or a tummy ache, which can cause problems with them drinking or keeping down fluids when they start to run a fever. use popsicles or frozen sport drinks to keep them hydrated the fun way.

my older son had a very bad reaction to children's tylenol - i dont recommend it. it's good to keep them away from medicine as much as possible, but fevers can get tricky, again because of the dehydration, etc. plan for baths during the middle fo the nite when fevers tend to spike.

[bailey228]

I think my wife believes the same thing. Our daughter doesn't talk yet so we aren't able to ask her. She had black poop and we took her to the doctor turned out it was just from eating blueberries. Otherwise she's not on any medication.

She's never gotten any medication. She didn't take anything for the black poop.

[Money Dollars]

A fever of 100 is not high at all.

Notice that I said above 100

Also, asprin is not safe for anyone under 18

That statement just makes you look nutty.

(I'd aruge it's safety for anyone over 18 as well) I very very rarely medicate for anything at all because I am not convinced of the safety of any drug. Tylenol is now being proven to be much more dangerous than originally thought. Many kids die each year from taking even recomended doses of Tylenol.

Do you drive in a car?
Are you convinced of the saftey of that?
Many more poeple die from that each year than from asprin or tylenol.

Oh, and no Eukreign, we don't eat any food containing antibiotics, pesticides, or hormones.

I bet you do.