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Started by indeedpossible, August 24, 2006, 09:45 PM NHFT

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indeedpossible

Hello - join our group, and check out the site...

http://www.controlfree.net

and read the description for the group there, too -

join by clicking the link :
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/cfm_NE_NorthAmerica/

or by e-mailing
cfm_NE_NorthAmerica-subscribe@yahoogroups.com.

But if you're a spammer, you're gonna get deleted!

nf1
http://www.controlfree.net
http://www.takepowerback.info

Michael Fisher

But what about those who do what I tell them voluntarily because I give them money for their labor?

???

indeedpossible

Heh touche.

But anarchocapitalism? Is that facetious? ;)

nf1

tracysaboe

Quote from: nf1 on August 24, 2006, 09:45 PM NHFT
But if you're a spammer, you're gonna get deleted!

Are you trying to be funny?

It's a good thing Spamers don't get deleated here.  ::)

Tracy

indeedpossible

Uh.. for real? Your weird spam was the reason I remembered I was a part of this forum, so I guess it's not all bad. ;) Maybe it actually WORKS for some people.

nf1

tracysaboe

#5
My wierd spam? What spam did I do. 

For the record, I don't in principle have a problem with spam.

Quoteremembered I was a part of this forum

What the hell are you talking about? This is your first post.

Tracy

indeedpossible

Hm. Maybe it wasn't you.. but I was almost sure it was your same email in the notification I got in my inbox.

Also - Christian anarchist? Good to see so many with alternate views I suppose, but how exactly does that work? Ever read Mikhail Bakunin's God and the State?

God would be a tyrant, basically is what he asserts.

nf1

Michael Fisher

Quote from: nf1 on August 25, 2006, 01:23 AM NHFT
God would be a tyrant, basically is what he asserts.

Not really. He just gives people complete freedom of choice, then after all is said and done, He gives them what they deserve. His standards are His standards and we do not have to like them unless we want eternal life. His justice is the only true justice, because He knows all the facts, even what we desire in our hearts. Tyrants do evil for its own purpose or so that good may come, but God is too holy to do evil, and He only does what is good.

He created us and therefore owns us and can do with us what he sees fit. The creator is the owner -- that's anarchocapitalist doctrine word for word. God's view of evil is objective. I guess God could seem like a tyrant to those who desire to do evil forever without repercussions, or those who believe they're not evil because they view themselves as subjectively better than others based on arbitrary self-imposed standards. *shrug*

tracysaboe

#8
Jesus Is an Anarchist
http://www.anti-state.com/redford/redford4.html

Even St. Paul Was a Free Market Anarchist
http://www.anti-state.com/article.php?article_id=307

My own thoughts on Romains 13
http://www.geocities.com/tracysaboe/Romans_13.html

Don't be an archist
http://members.aol.com/Patriarchy/definitions/archist.htm

See also  John Cobin's book, Bible and Government.

BTW. Kevin, are you the same Kevin Craig I used to run into on the Christian libertarians yahoo group?

Tracy

KBCraig

Quote from: tracysaboe on August 25, 2006, 01:53 AM NHFT
BTW. Kevin, are you the same Kevin Craig I used to run into on the Christian libertarians yahoo group?

Tracy

Wow, I had forgotten about that group. But, yeah, I was on there!

I just checked my old email archives, and I only kept about a dozen messages from that list.

dirk

Posted by: Michael Fisher
Not really. He just gives people complete freedom of choice, then after all is said and done, He gives them what they deserve. His standards are His standards...



Would we be able to cut some kind of deal with god... maybe lessen what we 'deserve'?
Could we/i get a list of those standards so that we/i know how to remain in compliance?

Money Dollars

Quote from: Michael Fisher on August 25, 2006, 01:39 AM NHFT
He created us and therefore owns us and can do with us what he sees fit. The creator is the owner -- that's anarchocapitalist doctrine word for word.
Let me see if I understand this...... christian anarchocapitalists don't believe in self ownership?

aries

the image on this take power back site looks like some wierdo liberal fantasy

indeedpossible

Quote from: aries on August 25, 2006, 10:58 AM NHFT
the image on this take power back site looks like some wierdo liberal fantasy

Heh that's hilarious. It's actually an image from an online brochure... "A Day at the Mall" by Packard Jennings : http://centennialsociety.com/durham.html.

And there's NO SUCH THING as "liberal" "conservative" any of that crap. As long as we keep labeling ourselves and our ideas, we're going to remain divided.

That said, I found the Christian anarchist stuff interesting, if not a little disturbing. I don't know. There I go, labeling ideas again. ;)

It's tough. We all believe in different extremes. I would still maintain that God, if He is a being that makes rules and enforces them, always however He pleases, is the very definition of a tyrant. But hey.

I suppose some of us think there is another explanation, perhaps. But interesting.

Also, "market anarchism"... don't know. I think the less property, the better. Obviously we need SOME forms of a little property (toothbrushes?) but I also don't think civilization and the way the world is set up, thought of, and run is correct. See Derrick Jensen (http://www.derrickjensen.org and for excerpts from his latest book, http://www.endgamethebook.org).

indeedpossible

Quote from: tracysaboe on August 25, 2006, 01:20 AM NHFT
My wierd spam? What spam did I do. 

For the record, I don't in principle have a problem with spam.

Quoteremembered I was a part of this forum

What the hell are you talking about? This is your first post.

Tracy

Yeah it's my first post, but I had registered for the forum a while back, and forgotten.