SSA & IRS

[NHRaven]

Welcome All Free State Porcupines Take care and God Bless

[FTL_Ian]

Hello and welcome.  Would you like to explain what this poll is about to those who are not in the loop?

[NHRaven]

Thank you for asking.  I am conducting this poll so that those who have not taken this action can have a source of encouragement from those who have.  Take care and God Bless

[Bruehound]

Can you provide info as to the process?

[Kat Kanning]

Some of us burned our SS cards in front of the SS admin building

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-9109695706635284741

[Russell Kanning]

My parents and sister/brother-in-law have, but I have not. I just burned it.

[Gabo]

I'm not really sure how to answer.
My mother has a SSN in my name, though I don't consider it to be mine.

[maineiac]

Yup, did that already, but skipped the paperwork!

[FTL_Ian]

Thank you for asking.  I am conducting this poll so that those who have not taken this action can have a source of encouragement from those who have.  Take care and God Bless

Please explain "this action".  What is this of which you speak?

[AmerTownCrier]

FTL...I'm not sure, since NHRaven hasn't yet aswered your question...but in my case I filed an Affidavit of Revocation and Recission. I'm not going to post a copy of mine simply because it's six pages long.

Essentially it covers all of the 'why I'm not required to file' argument, with case studies included and at the end essentially says any past irs forms, documents etc that I've ever filed, including the form SS5 application are null and void. "Constructive fraud as well as actual fraud may be the basis of cancellation of an instrument". This quote is from El Paso Natural Gas Co v. Kysar Insurance Co., 605 Pacific 2d. 240 (1979)

Does the affidavit really work? Probably not. In my case my INTENT was to stop using the number and that's why I don't.

[Malsem]

So, if you forfeit your SSN, how do you function within the economy?

For example, if you intend to purchase land or a home, and you need a loan, you must have an SSN for a secular loan.  Unless you inherit money or win the lottery, I don't see how you can opt-out.  Otherwise, aren't you limited to working at gas stations and living out of a tent with your family?

As well, many places (like the town dump) do not accept cash, only checks.  And if I get paid by check, I have to have an account in order to cash it.  So with money in the bank, I'm subject to service charges and fees in a ridiculous way.

Then there's this whole tax thing.  I do not support the things for which taxes pay on a federal or state level--except maybe the school system that facilitates my kids--and even then I'm still fighting uphill battles with the schools.

But paying a tax on the money I earn is simple thievery--a subdued mugging.  Paying for land is absurd in the first place, but then having to pay a tax on it is outright stealing, as well, like paying the bully at school for "protection."  Losing your SSN doesn't resolve the tax-paying issue, as far as I know (and please enlighten me if I'm incorrect . . . PLEASE), it only removes you from the "benefits" of social security when you're retired.  So what's the deal?

-M

[aries]

I dont file affidavits unless there's something in it for me. I'd have to pay SS tax by law even if I cancelled my number and whatnot

[Russell Kanning]

For example, if you intend to purchase land or a home, and you need a loan, you must have an SSN for a secular loan.  Unless you inherit money or win the lottery, I don't see how you can opt-out.  Otherwise, aren't you limited to working at gas stations and living out of a tent with your family?

Rent?

[Malsem]

Maybe.

Lots of landlords--in any place that's worth living with your family--check references and credit, though.

As well, renting means that you can be booted at any moment for anything.  And renting means no equity.  It could also mean having to move repeatedly, which can be tough on kids.  Even renting means following someone else's guidelines, i.e. no pets, no smoking, one car per family, etc.  And it tends to further allocate everyone into social classes and stereotypes once again. 

That kind of instability is sketchy with a family.

However, I appreciate that you answered the question technically.  It is probably at least workable for others.  With a family, though, I'm not willing to subject them to all of that again.

I just cannot accept that although I was born on this planet just like everyone else, I'm automatically assimilated into a tethered existence that makes me miserable.  Nobody should have to live this way.  How can you even be born not-free?

-M

[Russell Kanning]

I have lived in families .... and rented houses ...... for many years in my life. I never felt slighted by the experience. I never felt it was "unstable".