Dada in Federal Court 7/17 .... leads to 4 days in jail

[Kat Kanning]

More photos from John ( the previous one was John's too )

http://www.newhampshireunderground.com/wiki/tiki-browse_gallery.php?galleryId=86

[EthanAllen]

How about we, as the Constitution suggests, allow freedom of speech everywhere, but just arrest those that actually DO interrupt those official duties?

Everywhere? We don't allow freedom of speech for libel, slander, yelling "fire" in a crowded building or inciting a riot. We don't allow freedom of speech on private property without permission of the owner (btw - in anarcho-capitalism where all land is private, where would we have freedom of speech rights?).

If freedom of speech were allowed in the offices of the IRS then it COULD be shutdown with enough people exercising their rights. So we make a law that no one can.

first point- no you don't have "Freedom of speech" on private property like a theater or my home.  Don't forget that the constitution is a document meant to LIMIT the scope of government, not grant "rights" to people.  Your property is an extention of yourself, being the product of your labor and time.  If you own yourself and are not the property of any group of people (even one that calls itself an authority) than you can control and take the responsibility for your own actions.  The IRS is "owned" by that governing body that is supposedly controlled by that piece of paper called the constitution.  It's not that Dada has the "right" to free speech in the IRS office, it's that the IRS does NOT have the right to stop him.  They are the ones controlled by the first amendment.

Second point.  Would it really be so bad if the IRS office was shut down? 

If all lands are privately owned, then where will individuals who don't own have the ability to excercise their first amendment rights?

Do you understand that first amendment are common rights - individual EQUAL rights?

What does that mean to you?

I would like the IRS to be shutdown too because the tax is immoral and it pays for immoral actions. 

[Tom Sawyer]

Thanks for the pictures... beautiful, happy day. 

[KBCraig]

More photos from John ( the previous one was John's too )

Is that RattyDog and her ...umm.. ratty little dog? 

[Bald Eagle]

The defendants took part in a civil disobedience action sponsored by NH Peace Action and Seacoast Peace Response. They were arrested for criminal trespass, a Class A Misdemeanor (RSA 635:2) that carries a maximum penalty of one year in jail and a $2000 fine. 

That's INSANE.

Do we have any friendly reps who would _allow_ us to stay as long as we wanted outside their office?  The attribute that seems to make for effective civil dis is the ability for people to put the action into context - to compare and contrast it with other similar actions and thus be able to objectively evaluate the official response to the action for themselves.

"6 people stayed outside Senator Z's office for an entire week, peacefully protesting Q.  When asked what he thought of the protesters camping outside his office, Senator Z replied, 'These are REAL American patriots.  I wish that all of my constituents were this active in the community and cared as much as these people obviously do.  If what they are doing is a 'crime,' then there isn't any America left - and that's the REAL crime."

Do the same thing somewhere else, but outside the building and on public property.  We could do it near an activist's home so that people could shower and have access to communications and other creature comforts, or just have a bunch of people rent out an apartment near the State house specifically for that purpose.  It could be an office to house signs, donated computer equipment, act as a staging area for protests, and serve as a place to stay for people testifying for/against legislation.  It would vastly simply life for people travelling from great distances.

Wow, that idea just popped into my head from nowhere while I was writing this, and I'm REALLY starting to like it a lot.

[Bald Eagle]

Hey, we missed you! You need to subscribe to Porc-411.

Is there any way to automate Porc-411 so that I can have the messages forwarded to my cell phone's voice mail?

That way people out on the road could be notified even if they were away from their computer.

[EthanAllen]

The defendants took part in a civil disobedience action sponsored by NH Peace Action and Seacoast Peace Response. They were arrested for criminal trespass, a Class A Misdemeanor (RSA 635:2) that carries a maximum penalty of one year in jail and a $2000 fine. 

That's INSANE.

Do we have any friendly reps who would _allow_ us to stay as long as we wanted outside their office?  The attribute that seems to make for effective civil dis is the ability for people to put the action into context - to compare and contrast it with other similar actions and thus be able to objectively evaluate the official response to the action for themselves.

"6 people stayed outside Senator Z's office for an entire week, peacefully protesting Q.  When asked what he thought of the protesters camping outside his office, Senator Z replied, 'These are REAL American patriots.  I wish that all of my constituents were this active in the community and cared as much as these people obviously do.  If what they are doing is a 'crime,' then there isn't any America left - and that's the REAL crime."

Do the same thing somewhere else, but outside the building and on public property.  We could do it near an activist's home so that people could shower and have access to communications and other creature comforts, or just have a bunch of people rent out an apartment near the State house specifically for that purpose.  It could be an office to house signs, donated computer equipment, act as a staging area for protests, and serve as a place to stay for people testifying for/against legislation.  It would vastly simply life for people travelling from great distances.

Wow, that idea just popped into my head from nowhere while I was writing this, and I'm REALLY starting to like it a lot.

If we did not have any "public" property then where would anyone who does not own be able to exercise their first amendment rights which are common rights that individuals have EQUAL rights to exercise?

[kola]

Dave and Rattydog look like they would make a nice couple? yes?

Kola 

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Hey, we missed you! You need to subscribe to Porc-411.

Is there any way to automate Porc-411 so that I can have the messages forwarded to my cell phone's voice mail?

In theory, yes. But I don't yet have the infrastructure to make 72 simultaneous calls. (That's how many subscribers there currently are.)

Instead, I'm thinking I will see if I can deliver to cell phones via MMS.

[kola]

Sorry rattydog..  I am glad Dave is out and I hope he is enjoying a bit of freedom once again.

Hey I am big animal lover too. I got me a big ol german shepherd, Cheeko, a nutty cat Bongo, two Paint horses named Kola and Bugs.... And I am going to be a Dad, as I have just bought a 4 month old filly. Once she is weaned from her mom I can bring her home.
here she is:

 

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You don't need equipment; I do.

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When I'm ready to test it, I'll let people know.

[Bald Eagle]

In theory, yes. But I don't yet have the infrastructure to make 72 simultaneous calls. (That's how many subscribers there currently are.)

Instead, I'm thinking I will see if I can deliver to cell phones via MMS.

Don't know what MMS is.
Can you sequentially make 72 calls or make them in small blocks?

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More jailhouse stories from Dada, who says he hasn't been able to catch up on the forum yet.

P.S. Dada, please speak into the phone.

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[Kat Kanning]

Awww kola, what a cute baby!