Dada in Federal Court 7/17 .... leads to 4 days in jail

[John]

some will ask him to leave and others will ask that he be arrested like Russell...same issue.

Not quite.  And I think we are all smart enough to see a HUGE difference.

[John]

I will begin a fast around this time tomorrow.

[John]

Do they allow cameras in the Concord courtroom?

No.
They even confiscate iPods

What about the Free Press and the public's right to know what their government is doing? 

I'm quite out of practice (not that I was ever much good at it) with the sketching.  But I'm thinking I'll bring a sketchbook and some pencils.

Anyone know how I can get a press pass - so that I might not be hassled like all get out?

[FrankChodorov]

some will ask him to leave and others will ask that he be arrested like Russell...same issue.

Not quite.  And I think we are all smart enough to see a HUGE difference.

why isn't it exactly the same issue?

[jetlagQ]

hey there im just up from atlanta to show support on monday. im also staying at the holiday inn concord so ill be at the lp mtg tomorrow at 1pm. later in the day im planning a half day road trip. other than that though im available to help out if i can if there are any supplies or errands need doing let me know i'll check back online tomorrow a few times. i will be at the courthouse monday - when are people going to be showing up?

also if anyone has any advice this is the first support/protest ive been to so that would be appreciated.

my cell is: 404-641-2206 and i will be here until tuesday morning.

matthew

[cathleeninnh]

The LPNH meeting is in Manchester tomorrow at 6pm. I do not have an address.

Cathleen

[John]

some will ask him to leave and others will ask that he be arrested like Russell...same issue.

Not quite.  And I think we are all smart enough to see a HUGE difference.

why isn't it exactly the same issue?

Well - first - I'm thinking the responce is one of basic decency.
Asking one to leave and calling in the boys (and girls) with guns and badges are at two very different levels.

[John]

Thank you Matthew!  Karma to you.
I hope to be at the FedCourt in Concord an hour early.

[FrankChodorov]

do you think someone has a constitutional right to disrupt the offices of the IRS?

[John]

do you think someone has a constitutional right to disrupt the offices of the IRS?

I don't know.

However; In the case at hand, I see no evidence that anyone claimed ANY "disruption" of the office.

Let me ask you this: What do you think should happen to my freind for his non-violent - and respectful - actions of redress; even if you beleive they happened at the wrong place?

[Dreepa]

hey there im just up from atlanta

matthew

Welcome.

[Quantrill]

do you think someone has a constitutional right to disrupt the offices of the IRS?

Absolutely.  There is no law (in the constitution) that says you can't talk to people while they're at work.  Or hand out fliers while they're at work.  Or even disrupt their work.  I don't think working for the IRS qualifies as a "pursuit of happiness"...

[Michael Fisher]

I don't think working for the IRS qualifies as a "pursuit of happiness"...

This is true. I know several people in Utah that work for the IRS. It is the antithesis of the pursuit of happiness!

[FrankChodorov]

I see no evidence that anyone claimed ANY "disruption" of the office.

the reason you can't hand out "handbills" is because it is disruption of the intended purpose of the building.

What do you think should happen to my freind for his non-violent - and respectful - actions of redress; even if you beleive they happened at the wrong place?

he should be read exactly what his constitutional rights are regarding redress of greivances and explained how one goes about legally excercising said rights and therefore why his actions were in violation...

for punishment for violating the law he should have to do community service - a series of public lectures given to other FSP members on the 1st amendment to the constitution which outlies our common rights (individual rights shared equally).

[FrankChodorov]

do you think someone has a constitutional right to disrupt the offices of the IRS?

Absolutely.  There is no law (in the constitution) that says you can't talk to people while they're at work.  Or hand out fliers while they're at work.  Or even disrupt their work.  I don't think working for the IRS qualifies as a "pursuit of happiness"...

his claim in his defense is that he was lawfully excercising his 1st amendment right to redresss of greivances.

legal precedent has established that this does not mean you can hand out "handbills" at any building owned by the federal government that is not explicitly intended for the receiving of redress of greivances because it will disrupt the intended purpose of the building.

you can petition, assemble, and speak freely anytime you want on the sidewalk as you have a common right of way that is contained within the collectively owned sidewalk.

the government acts (use of force) wrongfully if they restrict those rights in any way and rightfully if the protect those rights from infringement by other individuals.