Dada in Federal Court 7/17 .... leads to 4 days in jail

[FrankChodorov]

That is the impression that I got. My thought at the time was of the possibility that he was mute. They approach with a "May I help you?". That is soliciting a response that turns out to be written. The prosecutor breezed right over this action and focused on the placement of the sheet on the counter when asked to leave.

got it - clever.

[error]

Dada was recently handed a summons to appear in federal court again for refusing to pay a $125 fine levied on him November 13 for petitioning the government for a redress of grievances. True to form, he didn't take the summons, and ICE officers dropped it in his lap.

More info and background here: http://www.keenefreepress.com/mambo/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=404&Itemid=44

Dada hasn't said whether he plans to be in court that day, but I'd expect he would be likely to be there. I propose doing another round of sidewalk protests, lunch, &c.

There's about a 40% chance I can make it to Concord that day.

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Update for calendar:  Dada has another federal court date on 7/17 at 10:00am.
Demonstration outside the courthouse starts at 8 am.

[d_goddard]

Is there a time scheduled?

[error]

Is there a time scheduled?

Probably. Dada would know what it is. If I make it I'll be available all day.

[d_goddard]

Is there a time scheduled?

Probably. Dada would know what it is. If I make it I'll be available all day.

My ability to be present depends strongly on the time... and on knowing ahead of time what the time is, so I can reschedule other things as necessary.
Hence, any further info would be most welcomed. Dada?

[Dave Ridley]

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insert from 3/9
they have rescheduled me to 2pm the same day.  demo will go on as planned 830 am
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thanks error! 

as I recall it's at 10:15 a.m. but i don't remember for sure.   I'm not sure where the paperwork is. 

I was thinking maybe we should demonstrate for ed brown while we are there, instead of for me.   we will certainly have plenty of signs for the ed brown cause by then.

[error]

I suppose it depends on where Ed Brown's case stands at that point.

[FrankChodorov]

Dada was recently handed a summons to appear in federal court again for refusing to pay a $125 fine levied on him November 13 for petitioning the government for a redress of grievances. True to form, he didn't take the summons, and ICE officers dropped it in his lap.

More info and background here: http://www.keenefreepress.com/mambo/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=404&Itemid=44

Dada hasn't said whether he plans to be in court that day, but I'd expect he would be likely to be there. I propose doing another round of sidewalk protests, lunch, &c.

There's about a 40% chance I can make it to Concord that day.

since you apparently believe you have first amendment rights to free speech, assembly and redress of grievances on or within all "public property" why restrict your protest to the sidewalk where the common right of ways are?

why don't you bring the protest (free speech) into the federal courthouse itself?

[Russell Kanning]

My ability to be present depends strongly on the time... and on knowing ahead of time what the time is, so I can reschedule other things as necessary.

The other hard part is that the feds can change the time even at the last minute.

[Russell Kanning]

If we do Ed Brown stuff, then the time doesn't matter much.
It kindof ruins their time shifts and cancellations if we hold signs anyway.

[Sweet Mercury]

Dada's case could have been such a case, if he'd pursued the appeals process. But it would have cost far more in filing fees (read: bureaucratic payoffs) simply to file the paperwork to begin the appeal than the $125 fine itself!

Yeah but, this isn't nor are any such fines ever about the money. The money is a pittance, the real crime is of failure to submit one's will wholly to the state. The goal is not to get Dada to to pay the meager sum, the goal is to force his "obedience." We've all read Thoreau:

As they could not reach me, they had resolved to punish my body; just as boys, if they cannot come at some person against whom they have a spite, will abuse his dog. I saw that the State was half-witted, that it was timid as a lone woman with her silver spoons, and that it did not know its friends from its foes, and I lost all my remaining respect for it, and pitied it.

If they can't reach his mind, they'll try for his person.

[Sweet Mercury]

Is this law ever used to prevent someone from handing their representative a flyer about their organization?

yes - you have no right to petition for redress of grievances in a collectively owned building not designated for that purpose.

If Dada was a mute should he be arrested for communicating via the written word?

you have no freedom of speech right in a collectively owned building not designated for that purpose - but you do wherever you have a common right of way...like on a sidewalk.

it would be interesting to test the case by wearing a t-shirt with information on it...

I suspect Dada will get arrested carrying a sign before wearing a t-shirt.

How does this make sense? What's the difference between a "collectively owned" building and a public sidewalk that is also "collectively owned?"

[FrankChodorov]

What's the difference between a "collectively owned" building and a public sidewalk that is also "collectively owned?"

there is a common right of way (an individual right) contained within the collectively owned sidewalk.

there is no right of way in collectively owned buildings.

[error]

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How does this make sense? What's the difference between a "collectively owned" building and a public sidewalk that is also "collectively owned?"

Oh, you asked for it now.

[Sweet Mercury]

What's the difference between a "collectively owned" building and a public sidewalk that is also "collectively owned?"

there is a common right of way (an individual right) contained within the collectively owned sidewalk.

there is no right of way in collectively owned buildings.

What is a common right of way, and how does it exist in the sidewalk and not in the building?