World Cant Wait - National Day of Assembly

[firsty]

ps i'm calling these "assemblies" now, not: protests, demonstrations, etc. these are assemblies which we have an expressed right to engage in.

anyway:

http://worldcantwait.net/

the plan needs a NH chapter. the event is october 5.

i havent decided, personally, if i'm going to philly or DC. but i'm going somewhere, thats for sure.

[Russell Kanning]

or "events" or "parties"
all better terms than "protests"

[aries]

I'd meet too many liberals

[Russell Kanning]

I'd meet too many liberals

huh?

[Fluff and Stuff]

ps i'm calling these "assemblies" now, not: protests, demonstrations, etc. these are assemblies which we have an expressed right to engage in.

anyway:

http://worldcantwait.net/

the plan needs a NH chapter. the event is october 5.

i havent decided, personally, if i'm going to philly or DC. but i'm going somewhere, thats for sure.

Or better yet, get people from NH to go to the MA chapter's Oct 5th meeting.  I met several of these activists (5-6) on the Warped Tour and we got along very good.  I have no doubt that lots of the people in the movement are liberals (the legalize pot, end the war, end wiretaps, end searches, end torture, legalize gay mar., protect speech, end the prison camps, repeal the USA PAT ACT type) but I have very little problem with those type of people.

[aries]

Or better yet, get people from NH to go to the MA chapter's Oct 5th meeting.  I met several of these activists (5-6) on the Warped Tour and we got along very good.  I have no doubt that lots of the people in the movement are liberals (the legalize pot, end the war, end wiretaps, end searches, end torture, legalize gay mar., protect speech, end the prison camps, repeal the USA PAT ACT type) but I have very little problem with those type of people.

I'm an extremely conservative person... I just don't practice conservatism in my politics... nor neoconservatism.

I can't stand hearing people talk about the sensitivity and tolerant side of all these things. Just get it over with because the government shouldn't be involved, not because we need to embrace and accept people.

[firsty]

Or better yet, get people from NH to go to the MA chapter's Oct 5th meeting.  I met several of these activists (5-6) on the Warped Tour and we got along very good.  I have no doubt that lots of the people in the movement are liberals (the legalize pot, end the war, end wiretaps, end searches, end torture, legalize gay mar., protect speech, end the prison camps, repeal the USA PAT ACT type) but I have very little problem with those type of people.

at this point, i think that joining an assembly already in progress is the best idea, yeah.

personally, i never met anyone named "Liberal" or "Neo" or with the last name "Ism." i think we pretty much all want the same thing. freedom to do as we please.

i would LOVE to hear impressions from NH folks who are able to go to the MA assembly.

for me, "liberal" simply means: "freedom, liberally applied."

[aries]

for me, "liberal" simply means: "freedom, liberally applied."

I just hate the conversation and attitude. Very elitist and holier-than-thou. As if saying I think homosexuality is wrong, or saying that I think sex offenders have rights is a personal affront.

[Fluff and Stuff]

for me, "liberal" simply means: "freedom, liberally applied."

I just hate the conversation and attitude. Very elitist and holier-than-thou. As if saying I think homosexuality is wrong, or saying that I think sex offenders have rights is a personal affront.

I am unable to understand what you are saying.  However, I take the liberal point of view on most issues, I just think the non-governmental way is the best way to go about liberal ideas.  Stuff like racism, sexism, anti-gay, ageism, hunting for sport, mixing religion and politics, heavy pollution, and low wages are wrong, IMHO.  One good book, Healing Our World helps libertarians understand what liberals want and helps us explain to them how libertarianism offers partial solutions to many of the issues that are important to liberals.

[Dreepa]

what liberals want

I think the problem is that many people perceive that 'liberals' want the government to solve the problems.
Like min wage to 'help' the poor.
Affirmative action to help the 'minorities'
Etc
Etc
Etc
I *think* that is why many people on these boards don't like 'liberals'.

[firsty]

what liberals want

I think the problem is that many people perceive that 'liberals' want the government to solve the problems.
Like min wage to 'help' the poor.
Affirmative action to help the 'minorities'
Etc
Etc
Etc
I *think* that is why many people on these boards don't like 'liberals'.

thats a valid point.

to be a devil's advocate here, i'd say that legislating the welfare of individuals might only be the counterpoint of the legislation of the welfare of the elite.

on a large scale, many on the fringe of society, whether they be the poor, the underrepresented, the minorities, those who have alternative lifestyles, beliefs, etc., are further marginalized because of the power and influence of a few, and the only way, within the "system", to try to level the playing field, is to legislate welfare, etc.

neither is correct. we should have a system designed to stay out of all aspects of personal lives, and we should have a system that allows all personal choice to have the same access to whatever there is to have access to.

as far as the "holier than thou" thing, i guess i see the point, but at the same time, those of us who dont have what some consider to be "traditional christian values" are frequently looked down upon, treated with disdain, moral outrage, etc., with have a very "holier than thou" attitude.

where i am, in southern PA, there is a big problem with elitist attitudes, condescension, etc., and it comes from those people who are considered "conservative".

which leads to this: all groups have problems, no group is perfect, and all groups have within them a certain degree of heirarchy which tends to treat its opposition as "less than"s.

i think that those in power, who some people consider "conservative," are very "high and mighty" and they think that they are inherently better than those who dont share their views.

"holier than thou", that phrase in general, can be more directly applied to the traditional conservatives, who rely on, literally, a holy belief system, to define their views.  this belief system is so built in to our society, however, that it's those who challenge it, who make attempts to equalize the consideration of alternative viewpoints, who can come off as being "holier than thou" simply because they need to more expressly use that sort of rhetoric, and since those alternative viewpoints dont have the advantage of thousands of years of socialization into our culture, they seem to be more preachy. but they are no more preachy than those who are promoting traditional values.

i'm not sure if i'm being clear. it's really late.

at any rate, i agree with the issues about the perception of "liberals." but i think it's a skewed perception. whatever entitlement people feel liberals promote (and i'm using "entitlement" as a bad thing), i truly beliefve that conservatives feel themselves equally (if not moreso) "entitled" to the status quo.

it would be better, i think we could all agree, if govt just stayed out of these kinds of things and allowed a society to exist and evolve based on the freedom of choice of all people. if govt didnt recognize ANY marriage (which is a religious institution), there would be no debate about whether or not to legislate gay marriage. if govt didnt provide tax breaks to insanely wealthy corporations, there would be no debate about how to legislate funding for inner city welfare programs.

we have this fucked up system of wrongheaded entitlement and govt support and dependency simply because, for the past 150 yrs or so, we've been applying band aid treatments in order to compensate for unfair laws that came from lobbying, special interests, etc., most of which are enabled by the rich, leaving the poor with little or no expressed govt representation. the system is so burdened by this tangled web of wrongheaded decisions that nearly the only way to do ANYTHING for ANYBODY (even on a morally sound basis) is to legislate it.

which is why we really need to change everything about the workflow and procedures of our government. it's simply not working.

which is why i'm attending this assembly in DC. we need to strip out the endless layers of crap that we have piled onto our government system, and get back to the basics.

lord o lord, i hope that made sense.

[aries]

If I wanted the government to translate my morals and ideas into laws here would be the world:

No gay marriage, homosexuals likely ostracized
No gun laws period
Hunting not only legal but encouraged, for sport, food, sadism, pick a reason, any.
Abortion illegal, harshly prosecuted
No welfare
Maybe subsidies to corporations, since this stimulates the market, a good thing
No encouragement of recycling (see Penn and Teller on this)
Christianity would be taught in schools

Etc, etc.

But morals and politics and different things, too bad few understand this.

But I say I morally believe more in the importance of a happy market than a happy people, and more economic freedom than personal freedom, so you see why I call myself conservative, even though my politics are anarchist.

[firsty]

If I wanted the government to translate my morals and ideas into laws here would be the world:

No gay marriage, homosexuals likely ostracized
No gun laws period
Hunting not only legal but encouraged, for sport, food, sadism, pick a reason, any.
Abortion illegal, harshly prosecuted
No welfare
Maybe subsidies to corporations, since this stimulates the market, a good thing
No encouragement of recycling (see Penn and Teller on this)
Christianity would be taught in schools

Etc, etc.

But morals and politics and different things, too bad few understand this.

But I say I morally believe more in the importance of a happy market than a happy people, and more economic freedom than personal freedom, so you see why I call myself conservative, even though my politics are anarchist.

i have to say, it makes me giggle that you'd like christianity taught in schools, but you'd also like to ostracize homosexuals. you have a sadly contradictory view of the world, but you're completely entitled to have it.

i agree - politics should be completely separate from morals.

the only morality that should be enforced by the rule of law is the type that prevents physical harm, of course.

economic freedom without personal freedom would be an extraordinarily dangerous thing, i think.

at any rate, check out your USA TODAY today. first section has a full page ad for the october 5 assembly.

[AlanM]

Maybe subsidies to corporations, since this stimulates the market, a good thing

I thought you said no welfare? Subsidizing corporations allows concentration of wealth and power, both anathema to personal freedom.

[Fluff and Stuff]

Ok, that happens on October 5th. If you want to go to one of the rallies and hand out FTL/FSP/NHfree flyers or just talk to people about liberty, please do.  This is a great cheap way to promote freedom.  It is possible to even get some press depending on how you do it.

Here is the website for the 230+ rallies that will be happening.  I am also including the NH or near NH ones in this post.
http://www.worldcantwait.net/

NH-

Littleton, NH
2006-10-05 [edit]
4:30-7:00
I dont consider myself a leader but i will be there. I have a black volkswagon jetta with Bush is a liar will be meeting In front of post office/court
If we get enough people we will march around town. we will be chanting things like:
Bush is a liar
bring home our boys
impeach the bush regime
donate to the cause,drive them out
make them pay for their crimes

bdowling@adelphia.net


Portsmouth, NH
2006-10-05 [edit]
Noon to One
Market Square
Rally in support of the national action.
Contact Burt Cohen 431-0066
burtc@rcn.com

MA-

Boston, MA
2006-10-05 [edit]
12 noon
Boston Common Bandstand
We will assemble at the Common at noon, as high school and college walk-outs join in from around the area and people of all walks of life interrupt their routines to make a powerful statement: the Bush regime does not represent us and we will not stop until it is driven from power! Imagine one of the most critically-thinking, youthful and vibrant cities in this country coming alive all day and into the night with feet pounding pavement, signs and fists jutting skyward, and chants of: "JOIN US! JOIN US! THE WORLD CAN'T WAIT! DRIIIIIIVE OUT THE BUSH REGIME!" peircing the air, unigorable.

At 1pm, a march (route not yet determined) is being planned that will make noise, spread the word and draw people in as it goes, before returning to the Common in time for a 5pm rally.

The rally starting at 5 will enable people getting off work to attend.

The Common closes at dusk, so at that point we will be leaving and heading to streetcorners in busy parts of the city, to hold up signs, pass out flyers and be a powerful presence all throughout the night, before returning to the Common during the morning rush hour.

Please see: http://cantwaitboston.blogspot.com/ See you there !!!!!!

call (617) 445-1570
boston@worldcantwait.org


Fitchburg, MA
2006-10-05 [edit]
5pm to 7pm
Upper Commons Park in Fitchburg (across from the Fitchburg Post Office at 881 Main St.)
PLEASE JOIN US TO DEFEND DEMOCRACY AND DECENCY - DEMOCRACY IS NOT A SPECTATOR SPORT!!!

978.413.1152
paulmushrush@gmail.com


New Bedford, MA
2006-10-05 [edit]
around 11
Down town New Bedford
Protest downtown of anywhere in New Bedford possibly a march through New Bedford streets onto Rout 6 (state Road) E-mail me with ideas/comments!!
TaMelo882@comcast.net


West Springfield, MA
2006-10-05 [edit]
3:00 PM
North End Bridge, Route 20
We will join the World Can't Wait in protest on October
5th here in West Springfield, Massachusetts. We will be protesting on
what's called the North End Bridge. This bridge is one of two that
connect Springfield to West Springfield, and it is located on Route 20.

Gather at 3:00 p.m. and stay until the after-work rush
hour is over, or until it gets too dark to notice us, whichever comes
first.

Contact: 413-205-1291 or email, amelia.grace@yahoo.com

Worcester, MA
2006-10-05 [edit]
9am to 8pm
At Elm Park, the intersection of Highland and Park Ave. Across the street from Price Chopper
We will just be standing on the side walk holding signs from 9am to 8pm. You can come at anytime til 8pm and stay as long as you like. You don't have to stay for the whole event.
For more information contact Kirk Mailloux at captkirk_459@hotmail.com
or Sharon Nieschte at emeraldgreenruby@earthlink.net. Thank you.
captkirk_459@hotmail.com

ME-

PORTLAND, ME
2006-10-05 [edit]
NOON ON: 4 PM MARCH -- 5 PM VIGIL
Payson Park Triangle off of Baxter Boulevard
We'll gather any time noon or after with our concerned neighbors, friends and family members to do what moves us -- make signs, speak out, make new connections -- while building a movement of citizens who are constitutionally encouraged to speak out and take action in the face of reckless and immoral leadership. If there's a sizeable and willing group gathered at 4, we can walk/march our event into town for a 5PM VIGIL IN MONUMENT SQUARE. Or just come to Monument Square at 5pm. There is no local leadership for this event, per se, so the power is in your hands to share with your neighbors and create a powerful and meaningful event. It's time to stand up NOW to start to take our country back. Plan now to make sure that everything is in place for you to attend -- if you need support, please bring a friend or two or six (and we all need support!); make room in your schedule now. You may feel angry. You may feel scared. You may feel sad. You will be in good company. Step into your power and stand up for your community, your country and your world! If we don't, who will? The World can't wait... not even another day.
portlandme@worldcantwait.org

VT-

Richmond, VT
2006-10-05 [edit]
12 noon
Richmond Town Park
I'm excited to be part of a day of national protest where people have an opportunity to step outside of their normal routine and show their support. We'll be there at the bandshell in Richmond Park to greet everyone who shows up; you folks supply the signs and energy. Anyone in northern Vermont and elsewhere is welcome!


lmark@sover.net


So. Vermont- Bellows Falls, VT
2006-10-05 [edit]
4-7pm
Corner of Bridge and Rockingham Sts/ Sidewalk in front of the Windam Hotel
Modest gathering of anyone interested in representing Vermont in this national demonstration. Bring your own signs and peaceful attitude. Open for participants to share feelings and thoughts on our current adminsitration.

If anyone else would like to add content to this event please contact me
I am very open.
oneflame@gmail.com