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[CNHT]

Families, especially of those who have to work two jobs or both parents work will be harmed by an income tax and it won't improve education.

I am not infavor of an income tax but rather targeted aid based on a land value tax...

but in the Below-Hager income tax scheme the working poor who own a home will pay less in taxes

You wish.

And I don't believe in STATE AID to education, period. It is unconstitutional!

first 28K of income (with 3K per dependent deduction) for family of 4 would be tax exempt and no property tax due on house assessed under 250K.

for a couple earning $50K in Concord living in a $250K house they would pay 22K x 3.3% or about $700

property tax rates in Concord are approx 20/1000 so on a $250K house it would be $5K in property taxes.

they would net $4300 less in taxes...enough to send their kids to parochial school.

And for me, I would pay MORE. Sorry Bill......

me too but I am not the "homeowning working poor" either...

in my LVT plan you and I would pay the same but those speculating on land in the urban core would get killed unless they used their location more productively which would stimulate jobs and wages would rise.

YOUR plan? Who the hell are YOU? LOL

Sorry I don't feel it's my obligation to pay MORE to fund education of someone else's kids, especially when I don't approve of what and how they are being taught.

[CNHT]

The money for the 'breaks' has to come from somewhere. This means some people would pay MORE.

Why is it that the childless, successful people always must pay for the rest of the people's kids to go to school? We are in no way obliged to be party to this socialism.

because inorder to have a thriving constitutional democratic republic there must be a sufficient level of competence so citizens can actively engage in their civic duties.

That's nice but it's not my responsibility. Your thinking that  it is, is Marxist-think at best.

[FrankChodorov]

The money for the 'breaks' has to come from somewhere. This means some people would pay MORE.

Why is it that the childless, successful people always must pay for the rest of the people's kids to go to school? We are in no way obliged to be party to this socialism.

because inorder to have a thriving constitutional democratic republic there must be a sufficient level of competence so citizens can actively engage in their civic duties.

That's nice but it's not my responsibility. Your thinking that it is, is Marxist-think at best.

Marx was a communist...I am a commOnist.

exactly how long has public education been the civic responsibility of local property taxpayers in NH?

50, 100, 150 years?

[CNHT]

The money for the 'breaks' has to come from somewhere. This means some people would pay MORE.

Why is it that the childless, successful people always must pay for the rest of the people's kids to go to school? We are in no way obliged to be party to this socialism.

because inorder to have a thriving constitutional democratic republic there must be a sufficient level of competence so citizens can actively engage in their civic duties.

That's nice but it's not my responsibility. Your thinking that it is, is Marxist-think at best.

Marx was a communist...I am a commOnist.

exactly how long has public education been the civic responsibility of local property taxpayers in NH?

50, 100, 150 years?

It has never been which is why Kat doesn't pay hers.

[FrankChodorov]

I find it interesting when some people are in favor of a tax that they assume/hope they won't have to pay. Take retired people for example - seems quite a few of them are in favor of an income tax.

well it depends on how much income they have coming in doesn't it?

most retired folks in NH are cash poor and land wealthy.

to have a 22K income stream which would be tax exempt in the Hager-Below income tax you would have to have 300-400K in invested assets paying dividends.

How can we make property taxes more affordable for all?
1. Keep town and school spending in check. Increasing local budgets determine property tax rates. Get involved - go to your budget committee, deliberative sessions or town meetings, and vote!

the basis of the lawsuit was that the tax base of the local community does not provide the funds for an adequate education.

2. Have properties properly assessed to equitably distribute the pain of property taxes (not have examples that Ed Naile shared with us). If a "rich" person owns a home worth $1.2M but it is only assessed at $525K, that is an error that the rest of the taxpayers are paying for. 

it is much easier to keep land values data up to date because you don't have to "inspect" any buildings.

[FrankChodorov]

The money for the 'breaks' has to come from somewhere. This means some people would pay MORE.

Why is it that the childless, successful people always must pay for the rest of the people's kids to go to school? We are in no way obliged to be party to this socialism.

because inorder to have a thriving constitutional democratic republic there must be a sufficient level of competence so citizens can actively engage in their civic duties.

That's nice but it's not my responsibility. Your thinking that it is, is Marxist-think at best.

Marx was a communist...I am a commOnist.

exactly how long has public education been the civic responsibility of local property taxpayers in NH?

50, 100, 150 years?

It has never been which is why Kat doesn't pay hers.

Kat doesn't own the land she lives on...she leases it.

trailers depreciate in value over time...

the property taxes the landowner pays is included in the lease payment Kat makes.

she may not pay it directly but she does indirectly.

[FrankChodorov]

I don't advocate the income tax as I believe all taxation on labor and capital is theft.

that is why I am also against the landowner's monopoly on collecting economic rent....it is nothing more than a private tax on labor.

so ultimately the ONE method I am for is the sharing of economic rent between neighbors in a community - directly and equally.

the first step is to shift the property tax off of labor and capital and onto land values.

[FrankChodorov]

that is another reason why it makes sense to argue to shift property tax off of buildings and purely onto socially created unimproved land values...no one even has to come on your property.

[FrankChodorov]

In fact Craig did not act like a 'king' but a commoner

you mean like taking a bulldozer to the beach and harming common property (between the high and low tide marks?

using his own money and such for different things

you mean buying the election at $160/vote from money stolen via intellectual property laws?

parking far from the statehouse and not using his special space, etc.

because the hummer wouldn't fit...

Craig was truly one of us.

speak for yourself - he was a dilettante.

I guess there is no tax that a Democrat doesn't like...and after all Bill, you ARE a Democrat aren't you?

all taxes on labor and capital are theft but the use of special IP privilege like King Craig is a particularly egregious form of theft...

yes I am head of the DFC in NH, a caucus to return the democratic party to it's roots of classical liberalism and civic republicanism.

I guess it should be called "republican liberalism"

http://www.amazon.com/Civic-Virtues-Citizenship-Republican-Liberalism/dp/0195106334

excerpt:
Finding the proper relationship between rights and responsibilities requires us not to choose betwen
liberalism and republicanism, he argues, but to unite them in a republican form of liberalism.

Is such a marriage of republicanism and liberalism possible? Is it desirable? Dagger demonstrates how republican liberalism proceeds from a fundamental right of autonomy, to the recognition of interdependence and reciprocity, and on to the cultivation of the civic virtues of the public-spirited
citizen. Indeed, republican liberalism promises not only to reconcile individual rights and civic duties, but to enhance political deliberation and the sense of community as well.

[CNHT]

In fact Craig did not act like a 'king' but a commoner

you mean like taking a bulldozer to the beach and harming common property (between the high and low tide marks?

Bill, it was his own property with which to do what he wished.

you mean buying the election at $160/vote from money stolen via intellectual property laws?

Excuse me? Buying an election? I know nothing about how that could have been done, any worse than when the D's ship union thugs up here to knock us down at rallies....and vote illegally.

because the hummer wouldn't fit...

Benson got rid of Shaheen's 3 SUVs that she had bought on the State's dime and got himself ONE. He chose a Hummer and saved the people about $80 grande.
So your point is???

speak for yourself - he was a dilettante.

Why because he left us with a surplus that Lynch promptly spent?

Yes there is a marriage of republicanism and liberalism.... it's called a RINO!   

[FrankChodorov]

it was his own property with which to do what he wished.

my sister owns beachfront in NH.

you only own up to the high tide mark - between high and low tide is owned in common as an individual equal access right of way.

Excuse me? Buying an election? I know nothing about how that could have been done

do you know how much Craig Benson spent of his own money and what that translated into in $/vote?

try $160.00 per vote.

Benson got rid of Shaheen's 3 SUVs that she had bought on the State's dime and got himself ONE. He chose a Hummer and saved the people about $80 grande.
So your point is???

shows you how much you know - I am talking about his personal hummer which would not fit in the space provided for him.

Why because he left us with a surplus that Lynch promptly spent?

credible documentation please...

Yes there is a marriage of republicanism and liberalism.... it's called a RINO!

civic republicanism

and

classical liberalism

as practiced by Thomas Jefferson

[CNHT]

do you know how much Craig Benson spent of his own money and what that translated into in $/vote?
try $160.00 per vote.

I have no problem with him spending his own money! Why do you?

shows you how much you know - I am talking about his personal hummer which would not fit in the space provided for him.

You're wrong there. That was not his personal hummer. That was the one he bought to replace the 3 SUVs Shaheen had. I know Craig Benson, do you?

Why because he left us with a surplus that Lynch promptly spent?

credible documentation please...

It was widely reported in all the papers about the BENSON SURPLUS.

I suppose you are going to say he spent $200,000 to install a toilet in his office as well?
Another lie perpetrated by the liberals and the press.

He spent $2,000 again of his own money to put a commode in a small closet-like bathroom space in his office (where there was once one before) so people would not have to go far down the hall for the main bathroom.

Craig Benson is one of the best governors, if not the VERY BEST, that NH ever had.

[Ron Helwig]

my sister owns beachfront in NH.

you only own up to the high tide mark - between high and low tide is owned in common as an individual equal access right of way.

I know that my deed defines my property as going to the water. If the water level lowers, I gain property. If it rises (not likely to rise due to the dam, but...) then I lose property.

[FrankChodorov]

You're wrong there. That was not his personal hummer.

Craig and his wife drove matching his and her hummers.

it wasn't owned by the state.

[FrankChodorov]

my sister owns beachfront in NH.

you only own up to the high tide mark - between high and low tide is owned in common as an individual equal access right of way.

I know that my deed defines my property as going to the water. If the water level lowers, I gain property. If it rises (not likely to rise due to the dam, but...) then I lose property.

Ron-

you obviously don't live on the ocean...