georgism broken record ad nausium

[CNHT]

it is very simple Jane...

you said:

"Benson got rid of Shaheen's 3 SUVs that she had bought on the State's dime and got himself ONE. He chose a Hummer and saved the people about $80 grande."

I pointed out that this was not true - that it was his own hummer not the state's.

now you are back tracking.

it just shows that you won't admit it when you are wrong.

FACT: He reduced the state vehicles by 2/3
FACT: He drove a Hummer
FACT: Ergo, the Hummer could have been either his or the state's, and I think there were two, one of his own and one he used for state business so he could get to any type of terrain he needed to in an emergency (good idea)

QUESTION: What the hell is the difference ? Is it a crime for him to have a hummer? I don't know which was which. It's not a 'wrong or right' issue!

If he had 40 hummers that he paid for himself, it is of no concern of ours, so it's not even cogent to the conversation which you have twisted to say I am wrong, when I am not even arguing that fact!!!!

[FrankChodorov]

What crime worthy of prosecution has Lauren committed?

I dunno - what is she charged with?

who was being harmed while she read a book on that porch?

does she have a right to be there?

Perhaps to you the state is justified in stealing a person's property at the point of a gun

according to Locke the exclusive use of what is previously owned in common as an individual equal access right can only be justified if it enhances the common good.

the same justification is used for eminant domain.

[FrankChodorov]

I'm just curious if you actually understand what "liberalism" means, Frank.  You seem to claim that Libertarians are deceptive in the claim that they are advocates of "Classic Liberalism" (which should now be 1800s Conservatism anyway), and I absolutely disagree with you.

I am saying that the original classical liberals, the French Physiocrats, in their practice of "laissez-faire" were not advocating no taxation at all as modern libertarians claim...

they were making the argument for shifting all taxation off of labor and capital and onto land values...what they called the "single tax" or "l'impot unique".

modern libertarians are a confused bunch because what they are actually calling for will return us to robber baron capitalism without addressing government granted privileges...

they are advocating a return to a mercantilist/fuedalist order which the classical liberals abhored.

[FrankChodorov]

Ergo, the Hummer could have been either his or the state's, and I think there were two, one of his own and one he used for state business so he could get to any type of terrain he needed to in an emergency

there you go again Jane - trying to fix the facts to your reality...

you clearly stated that he had a state owned hummer.

""Benson got rid of Shaheen's 3 SUVs that she had bought on the State's dime and got himself ONE. He chose a Hummer and saved the people about $80 grande.""

now your back tracking again with "either his or the state's" and "I think there were two"

I am right and you are wrong...he didn't have a state owned hummer, he drove to Concord on Earth Day in his own hummer.

[FrankChodorov]

such as sitting on a porch where the property owner has granted such permission, and offering ZERO resistance to arrest

I think you've got your facts wrong...

the property in question was sold - the new owner did not give permission.

it was claimed (apparently as a defense) that it was being homesteaded (not owned by anyone) not squatted upon (owned but not being used by owner).

[CNHT]

Ergo, the Hummer could have been either his or the state's, and I think there were two, one of his own and one he used for state business so he could get to any type of terrain he needed to in an emergency

there you go again Jane - trying to fix the facts to your reality...

you clearly stated that he had a state owned hummer.

""Benson got rid of Shaheen's 3 SUVs that she had bought on the State's dime and got himself ONE. He chose a Hummer and saved the people about $80 grande.""

now your back tracking again with "either his or the state's" and "I think there were two"

I am right and you are wrong...he didn't have a state owned hummer, he drove to Concord on Earth Day in his own hummer.

Bill, if you remember, you said in one of your posts that he did not park in the special space because his hummer would not fit.
I did not ever dispute the fact that he owned a hummer!
I merely said that when he reduced the state vehicles by 2/3, the one he ended up with may also have been a hummer. It was definitely an SUV of some sort.

SO I am NOT denying he has a hummer.

And I still do not know why this is even worth arguing, since HAVING A PERSONAL CAR THAT IS A HUMMER (OR HAVING 40 HUMMERS) IS NOT A CRIME!


WHAT IS YOUR POINT THEN? DO YOU ARGUE JUST FOR THE SAKE OF ARGUMENT SO YOU CAN SAY "I'M RIGHT YOU'RE WRONG"? BECAUSE I DON'T THINK ANYONE HERE CARES, LEAST OF ALL ME,  IF BENSON HAD A HUMMER THAT WOULD/WOULD NOT FIT IN THE SPACE.

You are somehow implying that his ownership of a hummer is something bad and to be denied!

BRING ON THE HUMMERS! In fact, I may buy one to replace my Tundra just cuz I think they are SO COOL!

What color should I get guys? 

[CNHT]

such as sitting on a porch where the property owner has granted such permission, and offering ZERO resistance to arrest

I think you've got your facts wrong...

the property in question was sold - the new owner did not give permission.

it was claimed (apparently as a defense) that it was being homesteaded (not owned by anyone) not squatted upon (owned but not being used by owner).

She was calling attention to the fact that the gov't took over what was previously private property obviously and thus the gov't felt the right to have her removed.
It was a 'demonstration' of the fact that this is what is happening.

For someone who posts the most convoluted, hard to understand and support theories, you surely fail many times to 'get' even the most simple concepts!

[FrankChodorov]

I merely said that...the one he ended up with may also have been a hummer.

now it is "may have been"...

more backtracking Jane?

[CNHT]

I merely said that...the one he ended up with may also have been a hummer.

now it is "may have been"...

more backtracking Jane?

Backtracking of what?????????????????????????????

[Michael Fisher]

 

[CNHT]

Yes isn't it? Talk about taking a non-issue, with which I did not disagree, to twist it around to say I backtracked on it, just to discredit me so that we can cover up and not discuss the good thing I posted about Benson.

After all we can't all know what good things Benson did now can we? LOL

Bill can't admit that Benson got rid of TWO SUVs which benefited the people of NH.

The fact that Benson had a hummer, no matter who it belonged to, is not even relevant to the statement.

[Michael Fisher]

The left can do no wrong! Benson is the devil!

Remember the SUV!!!!!!!!!!!!  :blah:

[FrankChodorov]

I think we can all agree that Eminent Domain is wrong and should never be used.

what is the philosophical justification for it?

The philosophical justification is that the king granted the right to the land to the landowner and could, therefore, nullify the grant at his whim.

wrong...the government grants a privilege of exclusive use because it enhances the common good.

the same justification is used when the privilege is withdrawn...because it enhances the common good.

[Caleb]

"The common good" is Kantian philosophy.  Very dangerous.  And quite far removed from the philosophy of the founders which recognized individual inalienable rights, Frank.  You ought to know that.  I shouldn't have to tell you that, of all people.

Caleb

[FrankChodorov]

quite far removed from the philosophy of the founders which recognized individual inalienable rights,

au contraire...

they recognized individual equal rights held in common which are the basis of negative liberty.